Tour de France....Is Landis Clean?!

[OStateMan]

I've been following this Floyd Landis case on the accusations by the TdF officials as saying he doped up for the win.

The TODAY SHOW held an interview with Landis this morning and after the questioning and watching his and his wife's reactions, I think he's guilty of doping.

When asked specifically what the truth was about the synthetic testosterone showing up in both tests, Landis said,..."I'm not sure what the truth is.." when commenting.

Plus, he general body language and his inability to staunchly defend himself has me convinced of his guilt.

His wife squirmed as soon as one major question was asked, convincing me that she was uncomfortable in the ruse. Probably thinking about all of the lost millions of dollars and recognition being stripped of the title as is his team, sponsors and handlers.

Landis has been on TV several times during this whole thing and not once has he convinced me that he is innocent of the charges.

If I was cocksure of my innocence, I'd be a little more passionate in my defense. Landis appears to be recalling lines from his attorneys and handlers in response to the simple questions.

Watching Lance Armstrong defend himself was convincing. Watching Landis is like watching a kid make up lame excuses after being caught.

I honestly believe Landis doesn't want to continue the lie, but is doing so at the behest of his people. He knows it's over for him.

[Pokes28]

I completely agree with you. It is the wrong forum for it, but I still agree.

I don't believe Barry Bonds and I don't believe Landis.

David Harrell - Pokes
dwh

[sutton1]

you have to remember this kid grew up amish, so he didnt have alot of contacts with the rest of the world--maybe that has something to do with the way he has handled this---the only thing i am concerned about is that this guy took numerous tests before & after the positive test & none of them came back positive---remember this is the tour de FRANCE & this would be the 8th straight time an American won

[orangebullet]

So he did test negative after that positive? Is there a timeline somewhere? I would almost believe the French conspiracy theory---as angry as they were at Lance Armstrong.

[zachya]

it seems that every other test he's taken have been negative, both before and after the one stage where these two samples are from. wouldn't put it past the French, but I just don't see enough evidence to conclusively decide one way or the other.

[Epperley28]

I hate to be a conspiracy theorist, but the "French Sabotage" angle holds some water. Most Synthetic testosterones have at least a two week half-life, meaning that they would be detectable for at least a month after ingestion. However, after the Balco thing and non-detectable steroids, anything's possible. We may never know, unless he has several tests within days of the negative that can be verified.

The French are awfully tired of Americans winning "their" race, and I wouldn't put sabotage past 'em.

[zachya]

epperly, the way I read things is that samples were taken after (and maybe before?) each stage, and so far this one stage is the only one to test even remotely positive. Nobody can give a good explanation as to why it is the only "batch" that is showing something.

[Poke4Christ]

I must agree with epperley here. I made a post on this in a previous thread and I thought the second test would prove negative. I was wrong. However, this whole thing just absolutly reaks! :x The drug he tested positive for gave him virtually NO advantage over the other riders. Why would he take a drug he knew he would test positive for? Why wasn't it detected in other tests? Why would he take a drug ment for training durring a race? Why did this just happen to be right after his big comback? Why was it such a strong ratio? These questions need answering, and I don't know why landis isn't using this angle. Maybe it's out of respect for the sport or something. I don't know.

P.S. Those who said they suspected this after his big win need to refer back to the point that synthetic testosterone can't provide those effects. It is taken over long periods of time to help with muscle development in training.

Zach

[bcCowboy]

Conspiracy theories are fun, but nobody is bringing the most relevant thing here..... Money and exposure for the cycling sport. I am not a big fan of the Tour, but I know it gets a lot more exposure now than it ever did before Armstrong.

If there was something Selig could do to milk revenue out of France for the MLB he would without a doubt. And his personal and political feeling about France would have no effect. A closer comparison would be Soccer. The Europeans running the World Cup this year were no doubt hoping for a good showing from the United States.

If anything it is more likely the people in charge would cover up a positive test by Landis, not fabricate one that didn't exhist. This is a very bad thing for a sport that was turning the corner globally thanks to Lance. Most of the people on this thread are seeing this through their own eyes....As Americans and casual fans. You have got to understand that the players in this thing have money, prestige, exposure for the sport they love, and their jobs on the line. Every one of these things is hurt by a positive test by Landis.

[Epperley28]

Well, Landis was on Jay Leno last night and he basically said he didn't introduce the substance into his system. If he didn't do it, then it stands to reason (if he's telling the truth) that someone else did. Somehow, I doubt it was his coach or a member of his team. This only leaves those who want to discredit and destroy him.

Of course, this is all assuming he's telling the truth.

[PokesWin]

I must agree with epperley here. I made a post on this in a previous thread and I thought the second test would prove negative. I was wrong. However, this whole thing just absolutly reaks! :x The drug he tested positive for gave him virtually NO advantage over the other riders. Why would he take a drug he knew he would test positive for? Why wasn't it detected in other tests? Why would he take a drug ment for training durring a race? Why did this just happen to be right after his big comback? Why was it such a strong ratio? These questions need answering, and I don't know why landis isn't using this angle. Maybe it's out of respect for the sport or something. I don't know.

P.S. Those who said they suspected this after his big win need to refer back to the point that synthetic testosterone can't provide those effects. It is taken over long periods of time to help with muscle development in training.


i completely agree with you.

I have a problem speaking in public too, and ive often thought what would happen if i was ever charged with murder or something similiar. If i took the stand I would look completely guilty. That doesn't mean I did it though.