Sorry to burst your bubble - Sean Sutton

[OSUCowboy2004]

Why would Arkansas, or any decent program for that matter, want Sean Sutton? I love OSU and I love the Suttons, but come on guys. What has Sean proven that would make him this highly sought-after candidate?

Sean Sutton is 0-11 on the road in conference over his short coaching career. He is 0-2 in the NIT and 3-2 in the Big 12 Tournament. That is 3-4 in the post-season. Sean showed that he couldn't finish the season this year and showed signs that he doesn't know how to motivate or control his players.

I don't mean this to be doom and gloom for Sean. Just trying to point out that Sean is unlikely to be on anybody's Top 3-5 coaching list. He has one year and 10 games of head coaching experience. He is 9-14 in conference play and 26-19 overall. Not exactly stellar. Would you be calling this guy's name?

[wdaniel]

This is precisely why I'm led to believe there's nothing to the rumors...

[gostate95]

Why would Arkansas, or any decent program for that matter, want Sean Sutton? I love OSU and I love the Suttons, but come on guys. What has Sean proven that would make him this highly sought-after candidate?

Sean Sutton is 0-11 on the road in conference over his short coaching career. He is 0-2 in the NIT and 3-2 in the Big 12 Tournament. That is 3-4 in the post-season. Sean showed that he couldn't finish the season this year and showed signs that he doesn't know how to motivate or control his players.

I don't mean this to be doom and gloom for Sean. Just trying to point out that Sean is unlikely to be on anybody's Top 3-5 coaching list. He has one year and 10 games of head coaching experience. He is 9-14 in conference play and 26-19 overall. Not exactly stellar. Would you be calling this guy's name?

Arkansas isn't on #3-5. They are on #7-10.

[gostate95]

Why then would Doug W at TU be considered for the West Virginia job? He can't even get them into the NIT for cryin out loud.

[kaje]

Just trying to point out that Sean is unlikely to be on anybody's Top 3-5 coaching list.


Isn't Arkansas well beyond Top 5? ;)

Arkansas isn't on #3-5. They are on #7-10.

Edit: Oops..got a call and forgot to refresh the page before I posted. Doh!

[SiggyPoke]

Arkansas is reaching desperation mode now. If they are in fact looking into going after Sean, several other options have gone down the crapper. He was far from being one of their top choices.

[llcoolw]

That's the first thing I read this morning that makes any sense. I agree Sean could be more attaractive than he is, yet, I still do not want him to leave. We are all disappointed about the NCAAs', but yet 20 plus wins the first season is awesome. I hope this is all just rumors cause we are on the verge of feeding the monster.

[GodsPeace]

Arkansas is reaching desperation mode now. If they are in fact looking into going after Sean, several other options have gone down the crapper. He was far from being one of their top choices.

I have to agree. I love Sean, but he hasn't done anything as a Head Coach to garner that kind of attention. I think he has work to do here before he considers leaving.

[OSUSpencer]

And Holder is just fine with Sean and knows he's learning. Sean is NOT going to Arkansas - that is absolutely ridiculous! Arkansas may well be in trouble when even a Creighton coach won't go there. You have to be loving watch what an idiot Broyles looks like by firing his head coach when he doesn't have one in his pocket ready to replace him with - Amazing! Things are good in Stilly, and Sean will be fine long term. He got stuck in an untenable position and HAS learned from his mistakes - recruiting the bad apples that he did and then playing two of them last year. Sean is still beating himself up over that, and you can BET he won't make that mistake again. We will be better next year, and we won't all be asking, "What is up with our basketball team, and why are they so up and down?" Giddy up.

[OSUCowboy2004]

Arkansas isn't on #3-5. They are on #7-10.

This is a good point. Still, I can think of 10 guys I would go after that are in "Arkansas' league" before Sean.

[Colt 45]

Arkansas just got snubbed by Dana Altman!! This guy was run out of Manhattan, KS, believe me they are hurting, I don't know hy they don't go after a Mark Turgeon or Barry Henson, both of those guys can coach.

[ronccowboy]

great recruiter, solid offensive minded coach , great defensive background, coaches at a top program, why would UA look accross the border and see a gold mine?? Fortuinately and hopefully Sean is home already.

[TBG]

James Anderson

Maybe he's the reason they would look at Sean.

[SiggyPoke]

Why? Because they think Anderson will follow? The LOI has already been signed. It's not going to happen.

James Anderson

Maybe he's the reason they would look at Sean.

[TBG]

The LOI has already been signed.

I did not know that.

[SiggyPoke]

Yes, James Anderson has signed his LOI with us already. :)

I did not know that.

[FrankStallone83]

I think we are making too much out of this years team and are giving ourselves some seriously unneeded anxiety. give sean a season where he actually has full team at his disposal before we decide what type of coach he will be. this year was more patch work than coaching.

does he have the quick eddie hook? i don't know bc he had no bench. We hear it wont be as bad as ed's but the option would be nice.

do you guys really think scott knows tons more about hoops than sean or is a much better coach? i doubt it, when i watched oru they definitely play eddie sutton ball which i'm sure sean knows a thing or two about.

lets wait until next year to see how well the team is coached rather than just saying if we make the tourney he stays, in we dont he goes.

[wdaniel]

This team was just patch work!? Come on my man. Losing Boggan and bringing in new players will be interesting to say the least. Every year in college basketball is "patch work" in most circumstances.

There's just no excuse for performing as poorly as we did.

[FrankStallone83]

no you're wrong. Yes college teams change every year, thank you for that slice of brilliance, but most teams have more than 7 players at their disposal. Last season (06-07) could have been better, but it was not a fair stage to judge sean as a coach. Next year if they appear to be poorly coached i will be upset but you cant give a fair assessment after this season

[wdaniel]

He shouldn't have dismissed those players that he recruited then! Yes it's gone round and round, but the bottom line is that the heat is on (as I've repeatedly stressed), and Sean knows this.

If Arkansas is really going to extend him an offer, he's probably gone, which may work out best for everyone. I just don't see them offering him as of yet, but that could obviously change if Arkansas doesn't have a coach in an additional 3 weeks...

[FrankStallone83]

you can guess all you want but im saying the man deserves a fair chance to prove himself. you dont want to give him one and i know you will be rooting against him as long as he is at osu

[FrankStallone83]

i guess mike gundy should have left prentice elliot on the football team too then right? then when he got in a gang shooting last year that would've looked great for the team.:rolleyes:

[wdaniel]

Hush it, bub. I don't root against him, period. I NEVER root against Oklahoma State in any way, shape, or form. Whether you think he deserves a "fair" chance or not does NOT matter. There is a rift between the administration and the coach, he's been here for many years, and the leash is pretty tight on him.

He MUST make the tournament next season, or he will be canned. OR, he could take an Arkansas job with less pressure out the gate and apparently the impending possibility of probation, which eases his burden even more, all the while raking in over $1 million per. It's an easy decision if Arkansas offers, but that's a BIG IF.

[kaje]

He shouldn't have dismissed those players that he recruited then!

You change stances more than a drag queen modeling on a catwalk.

[FrankStallone83]

Hush it, bub. I don't root against him, period. I NEVER root against Oklahoma State in any way, shape, or form. Whether you think he deserves a "fair" chance or not does NOT matter. There is a rift between the administration and the coach, he's been here for many years, and the leash is pretty tight on him.

He MUST make the tournament next season, or he will be canned. OR, he could take an Arkansas job with less pressure out the gate and apparently the impending possibility of probation, which eases his burden even more, all the while raking in over $1 million per. It's an easy decision if Arkansas offers, but that's a BIG IF.

That is brilliant. Unlike you, most coaches have some testicular fortitude and welcome the pressure and expectations that come with winning.

[wdaniel]

What? What was incorrect in what I said? If Arkansas offers him over $1 million per, he's gone. Do you disagree? In fact, he'd be a fool not to take it. The Hogs return everyone, they have talent, and he shouldn't have much trouble in getting them to the tourney (that is, if he has a serviceable coaching ability).

[O Face]

Hush it, bub. I don't root against him, period.

but you DO want sean gone. please, at least, admit to that.

It's an easy decision if Arkansas offers, but that's a BIG IF.

then why did you start the other thread titled "sean sutton to arkansas makes a lot of sense"?

[wdaniel]

Sir, I'm beginning to question your ability to read this board. I explicitly clarified that Sean Sutton to Arkansas might make sense for us and for him, but that the Hogs may not offer him the position.

I do NOT want Sean gone and want to give him one more year to try and make the tournament, but if he does end up leaving, I am confident we will find a great replacement.

[FrankStallone83]

i think its possible he leaves, the part i disagreed with was he leaves bc of pressure, good coaches want it. IF sean leaves it will be bc of his relationship with holder/boone...that is obvious. money will not play a factor, sean probably takes less than what he could because he works for his alma mater. But arkansas is not going to pay sean what they wouldve paid gillespie

[Oshoe]

He MUST make the tournament next season, or he will be canned. OR, he could take an Arkansas job with less pressure out the gate and apparently the impending possibility of probation, which eases his burden even more, all the while raking in over $1 million per. It's an easy decision if Arkansas offers, but that's a BIG IF.

I don't know, Less pressure? we've missed the ncaa and had a first round lose in the NIT and sean could make the first round next year and keep his job. While Stan has had back to back ncaa appearences and got canned.

I don't see how probabtion makes anything easier. If it's a serious probabation recruiting limitation/scholarships then that affects the team for the next 5+ years. He may take the job but I don't see anyway it's less pressure. No way they give him a free pass for 2+ years. Look at us (and more specifically you) people are already putting sean on the hot seat after one year.

Oh wait never mind you must be right because you were correct about bobby reid being the starter 3 years ago...

[wdaniel]

Well clearly the pressure to perform would be a part of it too; it would only make sense that you could go somewhere and not be forced to make the tournament or lose your job.

[wdaniel]

I don't know, Less pressure? we've missed the ncaa and had a first round lose in the NIT and sean could make the first round next year and keep his job. While Stan has had back to back ncaa appearences and got canned.

I don't see how probabtion makes anything easier. If it's a serious probabation recruiting limitation/scholarships then that affects the team for the next 5+ years. He may take the job but I don't see anyway it's less pressure. No way they give him a free pass for 2+ years. Look at us (and more specifically you) people are already putting sean on the hot seat after one year.

Oh wait never mind you must be right because you were correct about bobby reid being the starter 3 years ago...


Yes, I was correct in my call that he ought to start over Donovan, which was lambasted by the people on here.

I am also correct that there would be less pressure at Arkansas, at least inititally. It's hard to have more pressure than make the tourney or get canned...at Arkansas, he'd be guaranteed a good faith 3 year term, something he will not get here because of him being with the program for so long.

[FrankStallone83]

So what?! if he couldn't deal with pressure he wouldn't have become a HC in the first place. and arkansas has plenty of delusional fans just like at kentucky (not as many obviously) or even here that will apply pressure. Arkansas last national championship is a little bit more recent than ours so i think expectations are high

[wdaniel]

He never became the head coach. He was "annointed" as head coach.

[FrankStallone83]

so he's not a head coach? thats news to me. you can play semantics all you want but this is exactly why eddie didn't want this to be sean's first team. bc he knew morons that didn't know anything about basketball would pick sean apart if the team isn't great.

[wdaniel]

My point was a perfectly logical response to your post. You act as if he wouldn't have "become" a head coach if he were afraid of pressure, etc.

The fact is that he did not "become" a head coach in the usual manner; on the contrary he was annointed as one and without a legitimate search. IMO, this is a fair point.

[FrankStallone83]

that is a fair point. the other side is that we felt we had a guy that would stay here for his career and would be successful. but you're right, that is a debatable way of hiring.

my point is that eddie retiring after the final four or sweet sixteen would've been better for eddie but he didn't want to leave this team with sean for this very reason. but i don't know what time would've been best, its too hard to speculate. But taking that into consideration, maybe you shouldn't expect such a seamless transition. Bc if sean leaves, and we dont get bill ( i dont think there is any chance but again, debatable) i think it may take years to recover even if we do hire the perfect guy right of the bat. but lets say we dont, then what?

i'll take my chances with coach sutton

[wdaniel]

Well it would certainly make things interesting were this scenario to go down, and I appreciate the exchange with you, and you've articulated your points well.

It's a really dicey proposition if we have to scramble to find a coach, and if Self will not come here. At that point, I have confidence in the administration to throw enough cash to bring somebody with talent in, and basically any of those guys in my post regarding the situation would make sense.

[FrankStallone83]

i wonder what tech fans think of pat knight right now. hmm...

[FrankStallone83]

cuz eddie certainly did more to justify sean as interim HC. what has bobby done to justify this?

[Mr. Roboto73]

Pat did the same thing as Sean, he left his dad and was an assistant coach at another school for a short time. Then he came back.

I am a huge fan of Indiana and I must say that Pat is pretty much a doofus. Tech will be in bad shape once RMK is gone.

[Oshoe]

Yes, I was correct in my call that he ought to start over Donovan, which was lambasted by the people on here.

I am also correct that there would be less pressure at Arkansas, at least inititally. It's hard to have more pressure than make the tourney or get canned...at Arkansas, he'd be guaranteed a good faith 3 year term, something he will not get here because of him being with the program for so long.

First you weren't "lambasted." Did you even read the link you posted? The first 7 out of 10 people agreed, the other 3 said it was 50/50. Get over the persecution complex. I was just laughing at you for posting a statement with such rediculous logic. I guess it's been 3 years since you've had a correct perdiction.

How about make the tournament AND get canned like stan heath. They made the tournament this year, they have NO senoirs so if he goes to the NIT next year they'll let him coast? How do you think they would feel if a team didn't make the tournament and the only difference is a new coach that's costing 1+ mil a year? He would definately be in the hot seat. How about the year after that when they loses 7 seniors?

The only reason he would go is money period.

[wdaniel]

...or enmity with the administration. That's not "rediculous"!!!!

[PCpoke83]

First you weren't "lambasted." Did you even read the link you posted? The first 7 out of 10 people agreed, the other 3 said it was 50/50. Get over the persecution complex. I was just laughing at you for posting a statement with such rediculous logic. I guess it's been 3 years since you've had a correct perdiction.

How about make the tournament AND get canned like stan heath. They made the tournament this year, they have NO senoirs so if he goes to the NIT next year they'll let him coast? How do you think they would feel if a team didn't make the tournament and the only difference is a new coach that's costing 1+ mil a year? He would definately be in the hot seat. How about the year after that when they loses 7 seniors?

The only reason he would go is money period.

I also got roasted for the same "rediculous" "perdiction".

[wdaniel]

:)

I love how that works out. But it's another discussion altogether...

[SlingBlade]

We shall honor you who have survived such persecution.

What valor both of you have...:rolleyes:

[PCpoke83]

We shall honor you who have survived such persecution.

What valor both of you have...:rolleyes:

Why, thank you... smartass. And we shall, in turn, honor you for your courage to bestow such an honor upon us.

[MustangPokeFan]

He never became the head coach. He was "annointed" as head coach.Ahh, finally we get to the root of your problem with Sean. Those two short sentences said more than all the non-stop blathering you've done about Sean to reveal where you're really coming from.

[wdaniel]

No, my problem is with the lack of on-the-court performance. I'm not into excuses, either.

[mrorange]

my problem is with the lack of on-the-court performance

I felt the same way about Eddie, pre-car wreck. And the same way LSU fans feel. And the same way anyone feels, anytime their team is down. It's not always because of the coach, believe it or not. Fans just need to find a reason to cope with the natural phenomenon that is the up and down of college sports. Don't look now, but Florida probably won't be as good next year as they were this year, and it's not going to be Donovan's fault, unless of course he leaves.

[PCpoke83]

I felt the same way about Eddie, pre-car wreck. And the same way LSU fans feel. And the same way anyone feels, anytime their team is down. It's not always because of the coach, believe it or not. Fans just need to find a reason to cope with the natural phenomenon that is the up and down of college sports. Don't look now, but Florida probably won't be as good next year as they were this year, and it's not going to be Donovan's fault, unless of course he leaves.

No, they probably won't 3-pete, but they probably won't be in the NIT either.

[OSUCowboy2004]

Holder came out today and said that Arkansas has not even contacted him or Sean. You can choose to believe that or not. It wouldn't suprise me though - based on the reasoning in my original post on this thread.