Something HAS to be done - Gooners and Nat. Anthem

[GoGoGundy]

Something HAS to be done about the Gooners and the crass, arrogant, un-patriotic, and assinine addition they make to the end of the National Anthem. The end of it they replace "brave" with "sooners." You think that we could convince all the Cowboys fans that attend the game to yell "BRAVE" at the end to drown out all the gooner fans yelling "sooner" at the end?

[okstate5968]

I've been to a football game...and a basketball game in Norman...and voiced my opinion about it then. I will do the same Saturday. Anyone in my immediate vicinity will know how disgusted I am.

[EmptySeat]

It is simply the worst thing they do. They should be ashamed.

[PeteD]

I agree 100%. It's unpatriotic and disrespectful and it pisses me off every time they do it. Even more reason to despise their fanbase.

[RxCowboy]

When I bring this up with my gooner friends their automatic retort is, "The Atlanta Braves do it!" Like I'm somehow complicit with the Atlanta Braves doing that just because I happen to live in Georgia. I've never been to a Braves' game and am not a fan of MLB. I disagree with the Braves doing that, too.

It is disrespectful.

[Two Healthy Poo's]

When I bring this up with my gooner friends their automatic retort is, "The Atlanta Braves do it!" Like I'm somehow complicit with the Atlanta Braves doing that just because I happen to live in Georgia. I've never been to a Braves' game and am not a fan of MLB. I disagree with the Braves doing that, too.

It is disrespectful.

Similar to how the Braves yell "home of the Brave(s)" at the end of the national anthem, during the Dallas Stars hockey home games, the crowd yells Stars during "whose broad stripes and bright stars, thro' the perilous fight" and "O say, does that star(s)-spangled banner yet wave"

I don't think you can really compare that to what the gooners do. that's just being a pompous ass.

[EmptySeat]

When I bring this up with my gooner friends their automatic retort is, "The Atlanta Braves do it!" Like I'm somehow complicit with the Atlanta Braves doing that just because I happen to live in Georgia. I've never been to a Braves' game and am not a fan of MLB. I disagree with the Braves doing that, too.

It is disrespectful.

I've also gotten the ol' "Kansas City (Chiefs) do it." As if that makes it all right. If you press them, that's about the only defense they have of that repugnant "tradition."

[BUFFALOBILL989]

:x wahhh it happens all over. you guys are just sissies

[surferbum21]

um not to take anything away from your posting but i have heard this argument time and time again. the funny thing is i saw a guy at my gym wearing a shirt that said "land of the free, home of the cowboys" and even had the flag painted orange and white instead of red and white which is another thing i've heard cowboy fans get pissed off about the ou/american flag.

[ScooberJake]

It is simply the worst thing they do. They should be ashamed.

I'm not sure I agree. That flag might be worse... Disrespectful, classless, disgusting...

[EmptySeat]

:x wahhh it happens all over. you guys are just sissies

You stay classy.

[EmptySeat]

um not to take anything away from your posting but i have heard this argument time and time again. the funny thing is i saw a guy at my gym wearing a shirt that said "land of the free, home of the cowboys" and even had the flag painted orange and white instead of red and white which is another thing i've heard cowboy fans get pissed off about the ou/american flag.

Because you have heard it time and again doesn't mean that mangling our National Anthem is valid. That's not a defense. Nor is the supposed guy wearing an OSU shirt a good excuse. I've never heard *any* defense other than that from Sooner fans other than that one.

I have never seen a shirt like that, if that's worth anything.

So, without the "he does it too" defense, can you defend the perversion of our National Anthem at every Sooner home game? What possible defense is there, if I grant you that other classless teams do it, and that one guy sometime may have had a shirt like that. I'll give you those examples, now give me a rational defense of the practice. Take your time.

[Paperclip]

I feel the same way about you guys yelling "State" at the end of the playing of "Oklahoma".

[EmptySeat]

I feel the same way about you guys yelling "State" at the end of the playing of "Oklahoma".

Heh. Good one. :)

What's hilarious is the OU fans who whine when our band plays the Oklahoma State Song during games, as if they own it. (And then pervert the national anthem).

[Pokit N]

I feel the same way about you guys yelling "State" at the end of the playing of "Oklahoma".

Apples and Oranges, yelling "State" happens after the song is OVER. Changing the words of the National Anthem DURRING the song is very different.

[EmptySeat]

Still waiting on any Sooner fan to defend this without resorting to the "mommy he did it too" defense....

[okstate5968]

But we don't change any words...we add one. :D

One that doesn't change the song at all. The music is over, we sing all the ORIGINAL words...and add an exclamation mark of sorts at the end.

You are comparing apples and oranges.

[GoGoGundy]

Agreed, that is unacceptable and disrespectful also

[4edmondpokes]

There is a big difference between desecrating our National Anthem and a song that was created for a Broadway musical.

[EmptySeat]

There is a big difference between desecrating our National Anthem and a song that was created for a Broadway musical.

Yeah, but, but, other teams do it! :rolleyes:

[Fugazi]

Yeah, but, but, other teams do it! :rolleyes:

That's what they say when they get caught violating NCAA rules as well.

[PeteD]

Apples and Oranges, yelling "State" happens after the song is OVER. Changing the words of the National Anthem DURRING the song is very different.

Good post! It's not even close to the same thing.

[Malvegil]

The argument that we say "STATE" at the end of Oklahoma is moot. They have modified the song to add their own fight song (or Yale's as the argument goes) at the end of Oklahoma.

[Paperclip]

The argument that we say "STATE" at the end of Oklahoma is moot. They have modified the song to add their own fight song (or Yale's as the argument goes) at the end of Oklahoma.

Well, it is the Sooner State.

[okstate5968]

Well, it is the Sooner State.

What's your point? I failed to see one.

[The_Red_Patriot]

I've also gotten the ol' "Kansas City (Chiefs) do it." As if that makes it all right. If you press them, that's about the only defense they have of that repugnant "tradition."

True. I will partake in Sooners in Norman saturday and Cheifs in KC on Sunday.

I do it. There are a ton of teams in college and pro that do it.

It doesnt make it wrong or right but I could really care less. Especially since I sit around veterans that do it as well.

[NYC Poke]

Looks like a fair portion of them don't like it either.

http://www.soonerfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103952

[OKCPoke]

True. I will partake in Sooners in Norman saturday and Cheifs in KC on Sunday.

I do it. There are a ton of teams in college and pro that do it.

It doesnt make it wrong or right but I could really care less. Especially since I sit around veterans that do it as well.

Yeh, I met those veterans...they're the same fans that keep asking "where's the library"...

[The_Red_Patriot]

Yeh, I met those veterans...they're the same fans that keep asking "where's the library"...

Nice

[OKCPoke]

[QUOTE=The_Red_Patriot;418002]True. I will partake in Sooners in Norman saturday and Cheifs in KC on Sunday.

I do it. There are a ton of teams in college and pro that do it.
It doesnt make it wrong or right but I could really care less. Especially since I sit around veterans that do it as well.


Whatever makes you feel better about doing it...

[The_Red_Patriot]

I just don't really care. I mean I am already really drunk listening to my Toby Keith on my CD Discman in the stands while my mullet amazes all of Sec 101.

HOME OF THE SOONERS !!!

Right?

[Paperclip]

But we don't change any words...we add one. :D

One that doesn't change the song at all. The music is over, we sing all the ORIGINAL words...and add an exclamation mark of sorts at the end.



I'm sure that's true. The problem is, "honey lamb" is a term of endearment. It's not to be taken literally.

[EmptySeat]

There are a ton of teams in college and pro that do it.

LOL, still can't get away from the "mom, he does it too" defense. You can't see a Sooner fan posting about this who doesn't cite that unfortunate fact.

A few veterans doing it doesn't make it right.

Any legit arguments? Anyone?

[Roman Craig]

I just don't really care. I mean I am already really drunk listening to my Toby Keith on my CD Discman in the stands while my mullet amazes all of Sec 101.

HOME OF THE SOONERS !!!

Right?

You said it!!!!

[The_Red_Patriot]

Just stating the facts.

It doesn't make it right but others do.

[McalPoke]

Folks, you'll never get them to change. They can't comprehend why it's improper.

We all live in the "land of the free" because of "the brave". Watch the ones that bastardize the anthem by inserting the word "sooner" for "brave". Ten will get you a hundred that they don't sing any of it until they get to that last word. They have no idea.

I'll admit that sometimes I can't get through the entire anthem. Right toward the end I get this thing in my throat that just won't let another word out.

My only advice is to sing the anthem as loud and as proud as you can. Ignore the disrespectful fans. Lead by example. The more we bitch about it, the more they're going to do it because they know their disrespectful actions really upset us.

Go Pokes

God Bless America

[Sooner-Magic]

.................

I'll admit that sometimes I can't get through the entire anthem. Right toward the end I get this thing in my throat that just won't let another word out.

..................

Spunk?

Heh I sing Sooners at the end also. I do it because I want to. I am a veteran. If you don't like come to Section 6 and put a stop to it. Honestly though do you all even go to games? last time I went to a game in Stillwater I think we were the only ones there except for the other vsitors.

p.s. what is all this library smack about? I don't know about today but in the past osu had the worst library in the conference. On a given day I'll bet their were more pokes in OU's libray than in their own.

[NYC Poke]

Spunk?

Heh I sing Sooners at the end also. I do it because I want to. I am a veteran. If you don't like come to Section 6 and put a stop to it. Honestly though do you all even go to games? last time I went to a game in Stillwater I think we were the only ones there except for the other vsitors.

p.s. what is all this library smack about? I don't know about today but in the past osu had the worst library in the conference. On a given day I'll bet their were more pokes in OU's libray than in their own.

Somebody has to use it.

[okstate5968]

Honestly though do you all even go to games? last time I went to a game in Stillwater I think we were the only ones there except for the other vsitors.


I've been to every home game, plus Georgia and NU.

And this weekend OU.

So to answer your stupid question...yes.

[OKCPoke]

Spunk?

Heh I sing Sooners at the end also. I do it because I want to. I am a veteran. If you don't like come to Section 6 and put a stop to it. Honestly though do you all even go to games? last time I went to a game in Stillwater I think we were the only ones there except for the other vsitors.

p.s. what is all this library smack about? I don't know about today but in the past osu had the worst library in the conference. On a given day I'll bet their were more pokes in OU's libray than in their own.

Let me spell it out for you nimrod...the MAJORITY of your bandwagon, never took a class there fans don't know where the library is...get it now? You may want to find the library yourself, the use of "their" should be "there"...pitiful bandwagon mullet. Simple grammer....pathetic. But please, more of that sage wisdom there ...magic...bommer sonner!

[OKCPoke]

I've been to every home game, plus Georgia and NU.

And this weekend OU.

So to answer your stupid question...yes.

I'm guessing the game he attended was one when Blake or Schnelly were coaching yardman u and it was a home game, not here...he keeps flashing back on the loyal 12 thousand fans lost in that huge stadium. It just "seemed" like nobody was there...

[OKState918]

p.s. what is all this library smack about? I don't know about today but in the past osu had the worst library in the conference. On a given day I'll bet their were more pokes in OU's libray than in their own.

Worst library in the conference? Actually, the Edmon Low Library is (and has historically) been considered among the best in the country, and that isn't coming from me - that's coming from my cousin, who attended OU for a master's in library management systems.

[McalPoke]

Spunk?

Funny. But thanks for validating what I said. You guys have no idea.

Let me try to explain it to you.

It's emotion. Pride and Respect for my flag and my country. Something, obviously, you have no understanding of.

You disrespect our flag.
You disrespect our country.
You disrespect veterans.
You disrespect current military personnel.

And you glorify cheaters.

Go crawl in your hole somewhere.

You make me want to throw up.

[CowboyJD]

Spunk?

Heh I sing Sooners at the end also. I do it because I want to. I am a veteran. If you don't like come to Section 6 and put a stop to it.

Internet tough guys are funny. They make me laugh. I notice you didn't leave your row and seat number. Pretty chicken*&^% of you not to.....for a tough guy and all. I know Chuck Norris would leave detailed directions for anyone interested in the challenge.:rolleyes:

This is pretty much how they all look in real life....I'm sure MagicGooner looks nothing like this guy.....being a graduate from "Anapolis" and all. :rolleyes:

http://johnxlewis.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/tin_foil_hat.jpg

[ScooberJake]

what is all this library smack about? I don't know about today but in the past osu had the worst library in the conference. On a given day I'll bet their were more pokes in OU's libray than in their own.

I know that I used to hear stats about Edmon Low being one of the largest research libraries in the nation. I don't know if "largest" equals "best", or how good "one of" implies, but I'm pretty sure you are pitiful enough to just make something up to try to win an arguement that is pointless to begin with.

But that's the great thing about the internet, isn't it? You can just make up random crap and post it as if it were fact. Or are you going to actually pretend to have a source for a "Ranking of Big XII Libraries in 1982"?

[OKState918]

I feel the same way about you guys yelling "State" at the end of the playing of "Oklahoma".

I'm surprised somebody hasn't mentioned this, but shouting "State" at the end of Oklahoma isn't exactly equivalent to the way OU has bastardized the song by tacking on eight bars of Boomer Sooner.

Too bad you've probably never stepped foot on OU's campus. Otherwise, you might know something about the school's traditions.

[brianwr]

I'd just like to add, that as a current uniformed service member, I find what they do in Norman at the end of the National Anthem to be particularly appalling.

[oks10]

I'm just going to yell "BRAVE" at the end of the anthem and "STATE" at the end of oklahoma as loud as I can towards the closest sooner and probably with the help of the 270 other people that are there with me (band).

[orangeisugly]

LOL, still can't get away from the "mom, he
does it too" defense. You can't see a Sooner fan posting about this who doesn't cite that unfortunate fact.

A few veterans doing it doesn't make it right.

Any legit arguments? Anyone?

Can you explain what's so wrong with it? And I mean something beyond just "OMG! It's our national anthem!!!" I don't see anything offensive about it at all. I could understand if we were making fun of the song or changing the lyrics to something like "home of the... F*** Texas!". If you really want to analyze it, we're doing nothing more than saying that the home of the Sooners is America and we're proud of that fact. Nothing wrong with that! :)

There are a lot of people that get pissed about it (Sooner fans too), and I respect their opinion, but I'm not going to stop doing it simply because they don't like it. I think they're just blowing it way out of proportion and just grasping at something to get pissed about. Really, is it going to change your life in a negative way? Is it hurting anybody? IMO, the people that get pissed are taking life far too seriously and are too caught up in symbolism, which I don't understand. I don't care about songs, flags or any other symbolism you want to throw in there. I care about this country and the men and women who serve to protect our way of life. If you're going to say we're disrespecting them, I'd love to see a tangible explanation.

Ultimately, the people that don't like it are just going to have to deal with it. Get pissed all you want, it won't stop me from doing it. If anybody wishes to confront me about it, fine, I can handle myself, but if you harass me, we'll both be getting thrown out of the stadium. :D ;)

And, for the record, I'm a veteran.

[joe4sooners]

Can you explain what's so wrong with it? And I mean something beyond just "OMG! It's our national anthem!!!" I don't see anything offensive about it at all. I could understand if we were making fun of the song or changing the lyrics to something like "home of the... F*** Texas!". If you really want to analyze it, we're doing nothing more than saying that the home of the Sooners is America and we're proud of that fact. Nothing wrong with that! :)

There are a lot of people that get pissed about it (Sooner fans too), and I respect their opinion, but I'm not going to stop doing it simply because they don't like it. I think they're just blowing it way out of proportion and just grasping at something to get pissed about. Really, is it going to change your life in a negative way? Is it hurting anybody? IMO, the people that get pissed are taking life far too seriously and are too caught up in symbolism, which I don't understand. I don't care about songs, flags or any other symbolism you want to throw in there. I care about this country and the men and women who serve to protect our way of life. If you're going to say we're disrespecting them, I'd love to see a tangible explanation.

Ultimately, the people that don't like it are just going to have to deal with it. Get pissed all you want, it won't stop me from doing it. If anybody wishes to confront me about it, fine, I can handle myself, but if you harass me, we'll both be getting thrown out of the stadium. :D ;)

And, for the record, I'm a veteran.
thank you very much! my grandpa is a vet and we have been going to the games for years and he yells sooners! im not bashing osu at all when im saying this becuase alot of you have seen my post and i never do bash osu! but the main prob with it is...... because OU does it! And alot of osu fans have it in their head that OU is always wrong and no matter what osu is always right! i have a friend that is that way he would never give OU any credit in now away shape or form! but anyway i will be in sec 18 row 13 seat 5 and i will yell as loud as i can....... home of the..... SOONERS!

[brianwr]

thank you very much! my grandpa is a vet and we have been going to the games for years and he yells sooners! im not bashing osu at all when im saying this becuase alot of you have seen my post and i never do bash osu! but the main prob with it is...... because OU does it! And alot of osu fans have it in their head that OU is always wrong and no matter what osu is always right! i have a friend that is that way he would never give OU any credit in now away shape or form! but anyway i will be in sec 18 row 13 seat 5 and i will yell as loud as i can....... home of the..... SOONERS!

I don't have a problem with it because it's OU doing it. I also have a problem with the Chiefs and Atlanta Braves doing it, though I've never been there to experience that. I have a problem with people changing the words to the National Anthem.

[OKState918]

I don't give a rat's ass if you're a veteran. That still doesn't justify the way you're slandering our country.

My grandfather was a die-hard Sooner until the day he died. He paid a friend of his to take a swim test for him in December of 1941 so he could enlist in the U.S. Navy, where he served the duration of World War II. I think the three things he loved most were OU, his country, and his family - probably in that order, too, but it pissed him off to no end that people would scream "home of the Sooners".

[okstate5968]

It goes back to a respect issue. But hey...do what you want. Maybe Boren can write a letter to congress and the President and have the words officially changed.:rolleyes:

In Stillwater we are going to sing the National Anthem...ALL of it, not just 4 words at the end...with our hands on our hearts. And in Norman...or anywhere else for that matter...I will be doing the same thing.

I refuse to let 80k idiots alter my respect for our National Anthem.

[osutuba]

I'm surprised somebody hasn't mentioned this, but shouting "State" at the end of Oklahoma isn't exactly equivalent to the way OU has bastardized the song by tacking on eight bars of Boomer Sooner.
You know they only did this to try and keep us from yelling "STATE!" at the end, right? ;)

[Pokepoker]

I agree 100%. It's unpatriotic and disrespectful and it pisses me off every time they do it. Even more reason to despise their fanbase.

And exactly how is it unpatriotic? Do you know how stupid you all sound. When I go to a game, I say brave, not sooner, but you all are trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill here.

My suggestion, get your panties out of a wad, and realize that freedom of speech is more patriotic than conforming to the masses.

:p

[CowboyJD]

And exactly how is it unpatriotic? Do you know how stupid you all sound. When I go to a game, I say brave, not sooner, but you all are trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill here.

My suggestion, get your panties out of a wad, and realize that freedom of speech is more patriotic than conforming to the masses.

:p

It's as unpatriotic as burning the flag. It shows a complete an utter disrespect for the Country you're singing about by separating yourself (and trying to hold yourself out as superior) rather than unifying yourself with the rest of the nation.

[McalPoke]

And exactly how is it unpatriotic? Do you know how stupid you all sound. When I go to a game, I say brave, not sooner, but you all are trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill here.

My suggestion, get your panties out of a wad, and realize that freedom of speech is more patriotic than conforming to the masses.

:p

It's not about conforming to the masses. It's about showing respect for the flag, the country, and the military (the "BRAVE" in the national anthem).

Freedom of speech to disrespect the flag, the country, and the BRAVE was gained by the blood of those that are being disrespected by the unpatriotic people that slander the national anthem and abuse the American flag.

Sleep well.

[Pokepoker]

It's not about conforming to the masses. It's about showing respect for the flag, the country, and the military (the "BRAVE" in the national anthem).

Freedom of speech to disrespect the flag, the country, and the BRAVE was gained by the blood of those that are being disrespected by the unpatriotic people that slander the national anthem and abuse the American flag.

Sleep well.

LMFAO@this tool!

Obviously you can't read very well, can you?


"...When I go to a game, I say brave, not sooner..."

I will sleep pretty well tonight.

[McalPoke]

LMFAO@this tool!

Obviously you can't read very well, can you?


"...When I go to a game, I say brave, not sooner..."

I will sleep pretty well tonight.

And where did I say that you didn't say brave? You asked how it was unpatriotic and I gave my viewpoint.

Read and comprehend before you say something else stupid.

[OKState918]

My suggestion, get your panties out of a wad, and realize that freedom of speech is more patriotic than conforming to the masses.

And desecrating The National Anthem is so patriotic.

Thank God all you Sooner fans are here to uphold the First Amendment rights granted them, because when Oklahoma State fans honor the country by singing "Home of the Brave", I can't help but think we're a flock of ignorant sheep worshiping a sacred cow.

Hell, OSU's conformity is in fact so un-patriotic that singing The National Anthem correctly feels like declaring jihad on Stillwater, so I thank you for making this point clear to me. For the protection of my city, I will henceforth begin my day by burning an American flag, urinating on a copy of the Constitution, and cursing the names of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and John Adams, lest I be associated with the conformists who so obviously hate America.

[CowboyJD]

LMFAO@this tool!

Obviously you can't read very well, can you?


"...When I go to a game, I say brave, not sooner..."

I will sleep pretty well tonight.

He didn't accuse you of disrespectful conduct by singing "sooner". He merely pointed out that those who do are unpatriotic.

Also you did say, "My suggestion, get your panties out of a wad, and realize that freedom of speech is more patriotic than conforming to the masses." THAT is what he was responding to.

[housedivided]

Worst library in the conference? Actually, the Edmon Low Library is (and has historically) been considered among the best in the country, and that isn't coming from me - that's coming from my cousin, who attended OU for a master's in library management systems.

It's not even the best in the state, much less one of the best in the country...;)

[housedivided]

It goes back to a respect issue. But hey...do what you want. Maybe Boren can write a letter to congress and the President and have the words officially changed.:rolleyes:

In Stillwater we are going to sing the National Anthem...ALL of it, not just 4 words at the end...with our hands on our hearts. And in Norman...or anywhere else for that matter...I will be doing the same thing.

I refuse to let 80k idiots alter my respect for our National Anthem.


If you think all 80K plus fans in Norman change out "brave" for "Sooners" in the national anthem, then you're loopy...

[okstate5968]

Ok....79500

[OKCPoke]

LMFAO@this tool!

Obviously you can't read very well, can you?


"...When I go to a game, I say brave, not sooner..."

I will sleep pretty well tonight.

You call him a tool...you are a total moron. I can't imagine how some bandwagon fan like you ever sleeps well with the meth lab burning all night unattended in the double wide. But, back to your disrespect for anything other than your cheating tradition. Changing the words to any song related to this country is typical goon crapola...it doesn't upset me, just reminds me of the general ignorance and disrespect the majority of your uneducated fans display for anything other than the cheating program that gives meaning to your miserable lives. Sing on nimrod.

[EmptySeat]

My suggestion, get your panties out of a wad, and realize that freedom of speech is more patriotic than conforming to the masses.

:rolleyes:

It's the ol' Freedom of Speech weasel move by someone who probably doesn't understand the concept.

You absolutely have the freedom to disrespect the National Anthem. People who respect the Anthem have the freedom to call you on it. Don't weasel out behind "freedom of speech" when you obviously don't understand what it is. It's not freedom from criticism.

Nobody is saying that there should be a law requiring you to sing your national anthem without reference to a petty football team (I'd say the same if OSU morons inserted "Cowboys" into our anthem). I'd defend your right to desecrate the song, but I'll always challenge your complete lack of wisdom in doing so.

The good news is that at least a sizable minority of Sooner fans thinks the same...that the "tradition" is an embarrassment to the State, to OU, and to the Country. That's why so few teams do it. Most are not so petty and self absorbed.

Would it be cool to you to recite the national anthem and and pledge allegiance to the Sooners? How about breaking out into it during a prayer?

[OKState918]

It's not even the best in the state, much less one of the best in the country...;)

So which one is the best in the state, because the general consensus among professors at OU is that Oklahoma State has the best library in the state, followed closely by the Tulsa Public system.

[housedivided]

So which one is the best in the state, because the general consensus among professors at OU is that Oklahoma State has the best library in the state, followed closely by the Tulsa Public system.

Right....;)

[h0ozurdady]

Right....;)

Care to provide a source to your rambling? I didn't think so...;)

[housedivided]

Care to provide a source to your rambling? I didn't think so...;)

Sure, just as easily as "....the general consensus among professors at OU is that Oklahoma State has the best library in the state..." can be verified....;)

[NYC Poke]

This is the weirdest Bedlam smack talk I have ever heard.

[housedivided]

This is the weirdest Bedlam smack talk I have ever heard.

Yeah, library smack!

[EmptySeat]

If you didn't attend college at OU or OSU, you should not engage in library or bedlam smack....as strange a smack as it is. :)

[housedivided]

If you didn't attend college at OU or OSU, you should not engage in library or bedlam smack....as strange a smack as it is. :)

But I did attend OU and earned three degrees while there...

[NYC Poke]

If you didn't attend college at OU or OSU, you should not engage in library or bedlam smack....as strange a smack as it is. :)

Since when do we expect an OU fan to have attended college there?

[housedivided]

Since when do we expect an OU fan to have attended college there?

I'm not certain, but I think OU and OSU have had a similar number of graduates over the years since 1890. And I would bet that many of OU's graduates also are (or were) football fans....but just a guess.

[CowboyJD]

I'm not certain, but I think OU and OSU have had a similar number of graduates over the years since 1890. And I would bet that many of OU's graduates also are (or were) football fans....but just a guess.

Which addresses or is relevant to his question in absolutely no manner.

[NYC Poke]

I guess you don't need to be that smart to get three degrees from OU.

[housedivided]

I guess you don't need to be that smart to get three degrees from OU.

So I guess you're saying the majority of OU grads since 1890 aren't OU football fans....Bet you never took a course in Logic, did you???:rolleyes:

[OKState918]

Sure, just as easily as "....the general consensus among professors at OU is that Oklahoma State has the best library in the state..." can be verified....;)

I told you - that came straight from the mouths of professors at OU. Like I said in a previous post, my cousin received a masters degree in library management systems from OU - much to her dismay. She was a beneficiary of the GI Bill, and being stationed in Ft. Sill, her options were Cameron or Oklahoma.

[housedivided]

I told you - that came straight from the mouths of professors at OU. Like I said in a previous post, my cousin received a masters degree in library management systems from OU - much to her dismay. She was a beneficiary of the GI Bill, and being stationed in Ft. Sill, her options were Cameron or Oklahoma.

Right...I bet you can't name any of them, can you? Just like your battery throwing "story."

[OKState918]

Right...I bet you can't name any of them, can you? Just like your battery throwing "story."

Coincidentally, my cousin is still here enjoying the fellowship of family for Thanksgiving, and in fact two of her professors told her such. Steven Weldon and Carrie Magruder, if you want specifics.

As far as the battery incident goes, continue to deny that it happened. You weren't on the field, you don't know the people who were hit, and you lack the omnipotent vision of God.

[Sooner-Magic]

I don't give a rat's ass if you're a veteran. That still doesn't justify the way you're slandering our country.

My grandfather was a die-hard Sooner until the day he died. He paid a friend of his to take a swim test for him in December of 1941 so he could enlist in the U.S. Navy, where he served the duration of World War II. I think the three things he loved most were OU, his country, and his family - probably in that order, too, but it pissed him off to no end that people would scream "home of the Sooners".

Your grandad cheated to get into the USN and you are proud of that?

I don't give a rat's ass if your grandad was a vet and you didn't have the balls to serve the country "you love".

[Sooner-Magic]

I told you - that came straight from the mouths of professors at OU. Like I said in a previous post, my cousin received a masters degree in library management systems from OU - much to her dismay. She was a beneficiary of the GI Bill, and being stationed in Ft. Sill, her options were Cameron or Oklahoma.

Thats awesome. osu was famous for its horrible library, probably still is. Why would a third tier school have anything else? You can't use GI Bill benefits at osu? That alone speaks volumes.

[steross]

Thats awesome. osu was famous for its horrible library, probably still is. Why would a third tier school have anything else? You can't use GI Bill benefits at osu? That alone speaks volumes.
Of course you can use GI bill benefits at OSU. Several of my friends did. What they were probably speaking of are other military programs that use the University of Oklahoma as the degree granting university. Basically you study at home, a small college, or a military base and they grant you a degree from OU.

http://www.goou.ou.edu/nap/cameron.htm

On one hand it is good to the servicemembers that that are able to get a degree without leaving an air base or army post. On the other hand, it sort of diminishes the value of a OU diploma when they are whored out all over the world to people that have never even been to Oklahoma, never mind the actual campus. I only know about this because one of my good friends from the army years ago just called me yesterday to give me crap about the bedlam game. See, his degree is from the University of Oklahoma. But, he didn't know that was where is was from until he was about to graduate from PA school. His only ties to the university are that piece of paper and calling me to give me a hard time when OSU loses a bedlam game. That, sir, is what speaks volumes to me. A proud OU graduate that has spent less time in Oklahoma than Calvin spent on the phone illegally calling recruits.

[NYC Poke]

Thats awesome. osu was famous for its horrible library, probably still is. Why would a third tier school have anything else? You can't use GI Bill benefits at osu? That alone speaks volumes.

More library smack. Oooooooooh.

[fosheezy]

no matter what you "pokes" argue, i believe and argue that they main beef with the "sooners" attached to the national anthem is the fact that it's us doing it.

if it were colorado, USC, or notre dame, i doubt it would garner a fraction of the fuss.

you care because it's OU. you can deny it all you want, but really, let's be honest.

[NYC Poke]

So I guess you're saying the majority of OU grads since 1890 aren't OU football fans....Bet you never took a course in Logic, did you???:rolleyes:

And you just aren't very smart. Go back and re-re-re-re-read what I originally posted.

Or, because you're not very smart, I'll break it down for you. I'll avoid polysyllabics so that you can follow it with your limited OU education(i.e., "big words" ("i.e." is an abbrevation for the latin phrase, id est or "that is")).

I have no doubt that OU has many graduates. You see them working in convenience stores, mowing lawns, and manning meth labs all across Oklahoma. I further have no doubt that many of them cheer for OU football, at least when they are winning.

But OSU students and alums do not expect OU fans to be graduates of OU. Heck, I used to have some working for me in the copy room. But we've encountered too many OU fans who never attended the school who are trying to sell us cars and in correctional facilities

Good luck in Bedlam. But don't botch my copy job while you're watching the game.

[NYC Poke]

no matter what you "pokes" argue, i believe and argue that they main beef with the "sooners" attached to the national anthem is the fact that it's us doing it.

if it were colorado, USC, or notre dame, i doubt it would garner a fraction of the fuss.

you care because it's OU. you can deny it all you want, but really, let's be honest.

It's sophomoric. Yes, it offends us more because it's OU. But it's really indefensible. It's juvenile to try to defend it.

[RoVertoSolo]

It's sophomoric. Yes, it offends us more because it's OU. But it's really indefensible. It's juvenile to try to defend it.

What's really ironic is that they are changing the words of our National Anthem for their own personal gratification, while not really knowing what the true words are or what they mean.

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[NYC Poke]

What's really ironic is that they are changing the words of our national anthem for their own personal gratification while not really knowing what the true words are or what they mean.


With that education, what do you expect?

[CowboyJD]

Thats awesome. osu was famous for its horrible library, probably still is. Why would a third tier school have anything else? You can't use GI Bill benefits at osu? That alone speaks volumes.

You're just making crap up again. You can use GI Bill benefits at OSU. What a pathetic little liar you are. "Anapolis" my ass.

[housedivided]

And you just aren't very smart. Go back and re-re-re-re-read what I originally posted.

Or, because you're not very smart, I'll break it down for you. I'll avoid polysyllabics so that you can follow it with your limited OU education(i.e., "big words" ("i.e." is an abbrevation for the latin phrase, id est or "that is")).

I have no doubt that OU has many graduates. You see them working in convenience stores, mowing lawns, and manning meth labs all across Oklahoma. I further have no doubt that many of them cheer for OU football, at least when they are winning.

But OSU students and alums do not expect OU fans to be graduates of OU. Heck, I used to have some working for me in the copy room. But we've encountered too many OU fans who never attended the school who are trying to sell us cars and in correctional facilities

Good luck in Bedlam. But don't botch my copy job while you're watching the game.

I know that, due to your own insecurities, you feel you MUST make comments like the ones above, but please, you just make yourself look like a moron by doing so. OU students and graduates are, among many things, Rhodes scholars, Goldwater scholars, Truman scholars, governors, CEO's of major corporations, astronauts, surgeons, dentists, attorneys, nurses, architects, engineers, scientists, mothers, fathers, service men and service women and on and on and on, ad infinitum. And a good majority of those do attend games in Norman. You should see all the nice aircraft parked at Max Westheimer Field on a home football Saturday. So, if you feel compelled to do so, please respond the next time you're on break from you minimum-wage- paying job, why don't you...;)

[EmptySeat]

You care because it's OU. you can deny it all you want, but really, let's be honest.

It's close to home. We see it more often. But again, it's the "mommy he does it too" defense. You are deflecting attention from your petty little disrespectful tradition by claiming that others do it; and that people who call you on it only do it because they're your rival. That's easy to refute as well...the Soonerfans thread on it is split about 50/50 for & against.

So it's not just us "Pukes" who think it's an embarrassment.

Let's see - will you roll out the weaselly "freedom of speech" defense next? The ol' "I know a veteran who likes it" defense? In all of this, not one valid defense has been made. Not one.

[brianwr]

I know that, due to your own insecurities, you feel you MUST make comments like the ones above, but please, you just make yourself look like a moron by doing so. OSU students and graduates are, among many things, Rhodes scholars, Goldwater scholars, Truman scholars, governors, CEO's of major corporations, astronauts, surgeons, dentists, attorneys, nurses, architects, engineers, scientists, mothers, fathers, service men and service women and on and on and on, ad infinitum. And a good majority of those do attend games in Norman. You should see all the nice aircraft parked at the OSU Flight Center at Stillwater Airport on a home football Saturday. So, if you feel compelled to do so, please respond the next time you're on break from you minimum-wage- paying job, why don't you...;)

Same thing holds true for both schools.

[housedivided]

Same thing holds true for both schools.

But I'm not the one that made this comment: "I have no doubt that OU has many graduates. You see them working in convenience stores, mowing lawns, and manning meth labs all across Oklahoma. I further have no doubt that many of them cheer for OU football, at least when they are winning."

An OSU fan did...;)

[Sooner-Magic]

Not a smack at anyone or any school. I work in the Energy Business all over Oklahoma, Texas, the Louisiana Coast, etc and I just don't seem to run into any osu grads. Not Attorneys, Bankers, Engineers, or Accountants. There has to be thousands of them out there but you just don't see them.

T-Boone is the only Businessman I came name that I know came from osu. I have always found that a bit strange. I deal with tons of guys/gals that graduated from Texas, A&M, OU, Baylor, and tons of smaller schools such as Wasburn in Topeka and on the odd occassion it has come up they wonder the same thing.

[HokeyPokey]

It's sophomoric. Yes, it offends us more because it's OU. But it's really indefensible. It's juvenile to try to defend it.

You are not quite so vitrolic on soonerfans.com. Is this where your ugly side comes out? :D

[NYC Poke]

You are not quite so vitrolic on soonerfans.com. Is this where your ugly side comes out? :D

It was just in the spirit of Bedlam. I'll talk more smack over there when our record on the field gives me allowance to.

[RoVertoSolo]

You are not quite so vitrolic on soonerfans.com. Is this where your ugly side comes out? :D

I think the word is spelled "vitriolic". If you are going to use a big word next time, it would help us all if you spelled it correctly. ;)

[housedivided]

Not a smack at anyone or any school. I work in the Energy Business all over Oklahoma, Texas, the Louisiana Coast, etc and I just don't seem to run into any osu grads. Not Attorneys, Bankers, Engineers, or Accountants. There has to be thousands of them out there but you just don't see them.

T-Boone is the only Businessman I came name that I know came from osu. I have always found that a bit strange. I deal with tons of guys/gals that graduated from Texas, A&M, OU, Baylor, and tons of smaller schools such as Wasburn in Topeka and on the odd occassion it has come up they wonder the same thing.

Speaking of Boone, I spoke with an OU official yesterday during the game that sits in on OU's weekly Football Game Ops meetings. He said OU received an inquiry from Mr. Pickens asking to be able to have his limousine driven as close as possible to the GFOMS to drop him off for the game. Seems OU accommodated this same request two years ago when he attended the Bedlam game, but it was a big hassle pulling barracades, clearing fans out of the way and the like. This year they told him he could park at the Lloyd Noble Center and ride CART like other fans to and from the stadium...

[NYC Poke]

Speaking of Boone, I spoke with an OU official yesterday during the game that sits in on OU's weekly Football Game Ops meetings. He said OU received an inquiry from Mr. Pickens asking to be able to have his limousine driven as close as possible to the GFOMS to drop him off for the game. Seems OU accommodated this same request two years ago when he attended the Bedlam game, but it was a big hassle pulling barracades, clearing fans out of the way and the like. This year they told him he could park at the Lloyd Noble Center and ride CART like other fans to and from the stadium...


But at least you brought our band water. I guess that's something.

[setem]

The day it becomes illegal to sing different words in the National Anthem is the day I will stop singing Home of the Sooners! Till that day little brother shut up! Have fun winning championships at Two Dudes rolling around on the floor!

I love how we are called "Land Thieves" when Cowboys were not the church going folks you think they were!

A Cowboy is not just a sheepshager or a herder...some(if not most)of them were thieves too! They stole cattle and sold it to other people they were also stage coach and train robber and did all sorts of other bad shit!

We Sooners only started early to get a good spot of land! I am sure there were some Cowboys who came along and stole it right back!

[RoVertoSolo]

The day it becomes illegal to sing different words in the National Anthem is the day I will stop singing Home of the Sooners! Till that day little brother shut up! Have fun winning championships at Two Dudes rolling around on the floor!

I love how we are called "Land Thieves" when Cowboys were not the church going folks you think they were!

A Cowboy is not just a sheepshager or a herder...some(if not most)of them were thieves too! They stole cattle and sold it to other people they were also stage coach and train robber and did all sorts of other bad shit!

We Sooners only started early to get a good spot of land! I am sure there were some Cowboys who came along and stole it right back!

This is an attempt to defend the indefensible.

setem, how old are you? Or a better question is: Have you been drinking tonight?

[brianwr]

Not a smack at anyone or any school. I work in the Energy Business all over Oklahoma, Texas, the Louisiana Coast, etc and I just don't seem to run into any osu grads. Not Attorneys, Bankers, Engineers, or Accountants. There has to be thousands of them out there but you just don't see them.

T-Boone is the only Businessman I came name that I know came from osu. I have always found that a bit strange. I deal with tons of guys/gals that graduated from Texas, A&M, OU, Baylor, and tons of smaller schools such as Wasburn in Topeka and on the odd occassion it has come up they wonder the same thing.

I won't argue that you personally don't work with any OSU grads, but I find it odd, because out here in Colorado, I work (Air Force) with several OSU grads, and my father, and OSU grad and engineer works with at least four other engineers from OSU at one of the major defense contractors out here.

[OKCPoke]

Not a smack at anyone or any school. I work in the Energy Business all over Oklahoma, Texas, the Louisiana Coast, etc and I just don't seem to run into any osu grads. Not Attorneys, Bankers, Engineers, or Accountants. There has to be thousands of them out there but you just don't see them.

T-Boone is the only Businessman I came name that I know came from osu. I have always found that a bit strange. I deal with tons of guys/gals that graduated from Texas, A&M, OU, Baylor, and tons of smaller schools such as Wasburn in Topeka and on the odd occassion it has come up they wonder the same thing.

Apparently driving a pipe truck to oil rigs does not put you in touch with too many OSU grads...interesting. I'm related to 3 grads, one owns a multi million dollar engineering company in Tulsa, another is a partner in a multi million dollar architectural firm in Tulsa and the other, my dad is a millionaire a few times over and also a member of Mensa- http://www.mensa.org/ , I've provided the link so you don't have to figure out how to spell it. Now, these are just 3 family members who are OSU grads...there's thousands more turned out yearly that are doing the same things. What uo has that OSU does not is a HUGE base of literally talentless blowhards with no life that use uo's football as a way to find a glimmer of light in their miserable lives. It speaks volumes that 69% of your season ticket holders never even attended a class there...NCAA figures, not mine. Pitiful.

[HokeyPokey]

I think the word is spelled "vitriolic". If you are going to use a big word next time, it would help us all if you spelled it correctly. ;)

Heh! Thanks Mr. Webster. I do have trouble with those big old words. I'll try to stick to the one syllable stuff. :p

[okcfan33]

there was a dude at the bedlam brick game this summer that berated a sooner lady because she said it. I think he made her cry. He asked her if she'd be in this ball park drinking a beer if it weren't for brave men and women and she didn't have a response. He yelled really loud and got a lot of peoples attention.

[nisakat2]

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[FanOfTheGame]

Heh. Good one. :)

What's hilarious is the OU fans who whine when our band plays the Oklahoma State Song during games, as if they own it. (And then pervert the national anthem).

Hate to inform you of this, but it is Oklahoma's state song.

Isn't there something else you can complain about? This is so trivial. You can to high school, college and pro games anywhere in the country and hear this "home of the (fill in the blank)".

We lost the game. Get over it.

[fosheezy]

Apparently driving a pipe truck to oil rigs does not put you in touch with too many OSU grads...interesting. I'm related to 3 grads, one owns a multi million dollar engineering company in Tulsa, another is a partner in a multi million dollar architectural firm in Tulsa and the other, my dad is a millionaire a few times over and also a member of Mensa- http://www.mensa.org/ , I've provided the link so you don't have to figure out how to spell it. Now, these are just 3 family members who are OSU grads...there's thousands more turned out yearly that are doing the same things. What uo has that OSU does not is a HUGE base of literally talentless blowhards with no life that use uo's football as a way to find a glimmer of light in their miserable lives. It speaks volumes that 69% of your season ticket holders never even attended a class there...NCAA figures, not mine. Pitiful.

so proud that your daddy is rich.

this banter over the success of grads is juvenile. there are successful OU grads all over the country. there are successful OSU grads all over the country.

geez. i, personally, am proud of any product of our state school systems who utilize that degree to accomplish things, whether, OSU, OU, or even NEOSU.

also, i'm glad that you, OKCPoke, believe yourself to be so much better than so many people. thank you for letting us talentless, OU fans (and grads) breathe the same air as you.

[NYC Poke]

this banter over the success of grads is juvenile. there are successful OU grads all over the country. there are successful OSU grads all over the country.

geez. i, personally, am proud of any product of our state school systems who utilize that degree to accomplish things, whether, OSU, OU, or even NEOSU.


I agree with this 100%.

[Sooner79]

OSU fans are so ignorant...Can you guys please quit harping on what OU does or doesnt do and grow up...Changing a word at the end of the National Anthem is not anti American...Besides, words do not express your patriotic views, only actions do...You can grow up believing what you hear, but actions speak louder than words...

I am a veteran who served in Iraq and have dedicated my life to the ideology of democracy. I also graduated from the University of Oklahoma. I also seem to remember that our Constitution protects every American's Freedom of Speech...So go on complaining about how Anti-American it is to say "Home of the Sooners", but remember, it is actions that speak volumes, not words...

A Patriotic American educates themselves and those around them in order to protect this beautiful freedom that we are fortunate enough to enjoy because of our Forefathers and their Forfathers...

After all, this website is the epitomy of what our Constitution was created to protect...I am not saying whether it is right or wrong to say Home of the Sooners, but it is their freedom and right...

[brianwr]

OSU fans are so ignorant...Can you guys please quit harping on what OU does or doesnt do and grow up...Changing a word at the end of the National Anthem is not anti American...Besides, words do not express your patriotic views, only actions do...You can grow up believing what you hear, but actions speak louder than words...

I am a veteran who served in Iraq and have dedicated my life to the ideology of democracy. I also graduated from the University of Oklahoma. I also seem to remember that our Constitution protects every American's Freedom of Speech...So go on complaining about how Anti-American it is to say "Home of the Sooners", but remember, it is actions that speak volumes, not words...

A Patriotic American educates themselves and those around them in order to protect this beautiful freedom that we are fortunate enough to enjoy because of our Forefathers and their Forfathers...

After all, this website is the epitomy of what our Constitution was created to protect...I am not saying whether it is right or wrong to say Home of the Sooners, but it is their freedom and right...

It is their freedom and their right, but that does not excuse the tackiness of it all. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's unpatriotic, but I would say that it is disrespectful. It also the right of anyone on the street to tell any soldier or airman they see to piss off, or whatever else, but that doesn't make it less tacky or disrespectful. I, as a current military officer, find "Home of the Sooners" to be tacky and disrespectful to what everyone in uniform now and in the past has done for everyone else in this country.

[stated]

Not a smack at anyone or any school. I work in the Energy Business all over Oklahoma, Texas, the Louisiana Coast, etc and I just don't seem to run into any osu grads. Not Attorneys, Bankers, Engineers, or Accountants. There has to be thousands of them out there but you just don't see them.

T-Boone is the only Businessman I came name that I know came from osu. I have always found that a bit strange. I deal with tons of guys/gals that graduated from Texas, A&M, OU, Baylor, and tons of smaller schools such as Wasburn in Topeka and on the odd occassion it has come up they wonder the same thing.

If you work in the enegry business and you don't run into OSU grads you must not be in the right places. I know several.
Your statement is kinda like the DOK printing the map of oklahoma and its 77 counties and only showing 6 osu alumnus in Bryan county. I know of 8 who live in my neighborhood alone.
The only uo grads I know are attorneys, should I assume that's all they offer at ou?

[OKCPoke]

so proud that your daddy is rich.

this banter over the success of grads is juvenile. there are successful OU grads all over the country. there are successful OSU grads all over the country.

geez. i, personally, am proud of any product of our state school systems who utilize that degree to accomplish things, whether, OSU, OU, or even NEOSU.

also, i'm glad that you, OKCPoke, believe yourself to be so much better than so many people. thank you for letting us talentless, OU fans (and grads) breathe the same air as you.

This all came about as a retort to your fans who, having never even attended a class there try to discredit OSU fans as losers because the FB team does not succeed as often as uos does. I don't feel a bit better or believe I'm better than anyone else, even those fools I am talking about who scream so loudly for your team. Am I glad I'm related to 3 successful grads from OSU, yes. Does it make me better, no. Don't get your panties in a wad, it's your bandwagon fans that breed this type of attitude in Stillwater. You can breathe any air you want, it just happens to be sweeter in Stillwater.

[osugrad08]

What I find funny about this thread is the fact that most of the people on here trying to justify the slander of our National Anthem happen to be "veterans." :rolleyes:

[fosheezy]

This all came about as a retort to your fans who, having never even attended a class there try to discredit OSU fans as losers because the FB team does not succeed as often as uos does. I don't feel a bit better or believe I'm better than anyone else, even those fools I am talking about who scream so loudly for your team. Am I glad I'm related to 3 successful grads from OSU, yes. Does it make me better, no. Don't get your panties in a wad, it's your bandwagon fans that breed this type of attitude in Stillwater. You can breathe any air you want, it just happens to be sweeter in Stillwater.

it's just so sad that these "bandwagon fans" can "breed" such a foul attitude in stillwater.

do i love all the bandwagon fans? not particularly. i do love that they support the university financially and improve the program by buying merchandise, attending games, and ensuring that OU is on TV every week. in the end, i can tolerate some bandwagoners for the better.

although, i would wish that OSU fans would be able to differentiate between the bandwagon fans and true fans, and quit being so condescending to all OU fans because they let a few bandwagoners get them so riled up.

[Sooner-Magic]

What I find funny about this thread is the fact that most of the people on here trying to justify the slander of our National Anthem happen to be "veterans." :rolleyes:

What is so funny about "veterans"? The fact they have balls and you don't? Yes that is a hoot!

[OKCPoke]

it's just so sad that these "bandwagon fans" can "breed" such a foul attitude in stillwater.

do i love all the bandwagon fans? not particularly. i do love that they support the university financially and improve the program by buying merchandise, attending games, and ensuring that OU is on TV every week. in the end, i can tolerate some bandwagoners for the better.

although, i would wish that OSU fans would be able to differentiate between the bandwagon fans and true fans, and quit being so condescending to all OU fans because they let a few bandwagoners get them so riled up.

I have some good friends that are uo fans, we have very nice relationships even during bedlam weekend. As I said, it's your bandwagon fans and a bunch of your young fans that give those with a sane attitude the black eyes. Screaming degrading comments and getting in your face when confronted with the game...pitiful. I have no problem differentiating between the fans, it's very obvious which are which. The problem is that there are SO MANY bandwagon fans it's difficult to find the others and why a football teams success makes those losers feel superior is beyond me but never the less, it's fact and there are so many of them it's hard not to step on one when crossing the street.