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okstate5968
01-11-2008, 01:25 PM
17 states stuck in license showdown
By DEVLIN BARRETT
Associated Press Writer
The Associated Press
updated 1:00 p.m. CT, Fri., Jan. 11, 2008
WASHINGTON - Residents of at least 17 states are suddenly stuck in the middle of a brewing fight between the Bush administration and state governments over post-Sept. 11 security rules for driver's licenses _ a dispute that in just a few months could leave millions of people unable to use their licenses to board planes or enter federal buildings.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said Friday that if states want their licenses to remain valid for air travel after May 2008, those states must seek a waiver indicating they want more time to comply with the REAL ID Act's new rules.

So far, 17 states have passed legislation or resolutions objecting to the REAL ID provisions, many due to concerns it will cost them too much to comply. The 17, according to the ACLU, are: Arizona, Colorado, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Maine, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee and Washington state.

But Chertoff, as he unveiled final details of the REAL ID rules, said that where a particular state doesn't seek a waiver, its residents will have to use a passport or a newly created federal passport card if they want to avoid a vigorous secondary screening at airport security.

"The last thing I want to do is punish citizens of a state who would love to have a REAL ID license but can't get one," Chertoff said. "But in the end, the rule is the rule as passed by Congress."

Chertoff spoke as he revealed the details of the administration's plan to improve security for driver's licenses in all 50 states _ an effort delayed due to opposition from states worried about the cost and civil libertarians upset about what they believe are invasions of privacy.

Under the rules announced Friday, Americans born after Dec. 1, 1964, will have to get more secure driver's licenses in the next six years.

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22598390/?GT1=10755

Pokit N
01-11-2008, 01:32 PM
When I flew out of O'Hare in Dec, the girl in front of me had an Old Oklahoma License, the security screener looked at it hard and then decided she needed further screening. I felt bad for her.

FrankStallone83
01-11-2008, 01:33 PM
Chertoff is a joke. I'm sure I'll get labeled a conspiracy theorist but I just can't help wonder what the motives are behind these ridiculous strategies homeland security wants to implement when they flat out refuse to secure the border.

it just smells fishy.

Pokit N
01-11-2008, 01:34 PM
Does this mean in a nutshell that if you live in one of these states, and want to fly you'll have to use a passport or something?

FWPoke
01-11-2008, 02:26 PM
Does this mean in a nutshell that if you live in one of these states, and want to fly you'll have to use a passport or something?

In a word - yes.

Mike the Poke
01-11-2008, 02:54 PM
I thought the new OK driver license complied with REAL ID. What's wrong with the new ones? It's not like we're signing a piece of paper with our picture on it and it gets laminated....

lewis the pike
01-11-2008, 03:16 PM
The real id is something i feel we should all be worried about.

The federal government needs to pursue surveiliance of terrorists, not the general populace.

okstate5968
01-11-2008, 03:17 PM
The real id is something i feel we should all be worried about.

The federal government needs to pursue surveiliance of terrorists, not the general populace.

Timothy McVeigh is a perfect example that sometimes the terrorists ARE the general populace.

okstate5968
01-11-2008, 03:18 PM
I thought the new OK driver license complied with REAL ID. What's wrong with the new ones? It's not like we're signing a piece of paper with our picture on it and it gets laminated....

I'm pretty sure they scan your thumbprints for the new ones.

Roman Craig
01-11-2008, 03:18 PM
You beat me to it. Also that American Taliban guy.

lewis the pike
01-11-2008, 06:03 PM
2 people out of 250 million?

John Walker Lindh was in Afghanistan, and Timothy McVeigh was already under FBI surveilance.

I am concerned about the nanny state, and it scares me more people aren't

Pokefan
01-11-2008, 06:22 PM
This sounds more and more like Communist Russia and Nazi Germany. We will soon not be able to travel at all without the "proper papers". Next it will be checkpoints on roads to make sure you submitted your travel plans to the proper Govt agency. If your traveling without approval and don't have the proper documents then off to jail.

curtis
01-11-2008, 06:31 PM
17 states stuck in license showdown



Under the rules announced Friday, Americans born after Dec. 1, 1964, will have to get more secure driver's licenses in the next six years.

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22598390/?GT1=10755

I guess they think those of us born before this date are too old and stiff to cause any trouble.

Pokefan
01-11-2008, 07:40 PM
I guess they think those of us born before this date are too old and stiff to cause any trouble.

If this was the case Viagra would not be needed! :eek::D