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I have two separate Bible study/small groups where my wife and I are the only non -Trumpers. We just keep our mouths shut when politics eventually comes up. The perceptive ones in the group notice and tone down. Unfortunately, they are vastly outnumbered. It’s just not worth creating a wall there (ironically) that may be kore permanent than the political strife.

Still, if anything’s a cult, it’s QAnon. Antifa is a close second.
At least you know those people, lol.

I was buying a couple of storm doors @Lowe's the other day & the lady had to get all my contact info because the doors had to be ordered.

So a woman standing nearby & obviously listening in says "405, huh? Those idiots will vote for Trump again, just watch." I just kinda looked at her, dumbfounded, & said 'yeah, I'm here buying a couple of doors, I don't really care what your political opinions are & I didn't ask, so please leave me alone.'

There's a lot of things in 2020 that most of us have never experienced, but man, the constant unsolicited invocation of politics into EVERYTHING is way beyond old.
 

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We're dealing with this right now. My wife's aunts & uncles are hardcore conservatives, but won't leave our daughter alone on social media. She's even blocked them & they still manage to message her with constant political stuff. It's to the point now that it's a serious rift & my wife's had to ask them not to do it any more.

Scenarios like this are why I've been loath to talk politics or religion in casual conversation for most of my adult life. In my experience, you rarely change anyone's mind & these discussions tend to be more divisive than anything else. I also think I'm definitely not alone in just being fatigued by the politicization of every aspect of our lives today.
Similar but opposite sides of the political spectrum...the wife's step-mother if pretty far left and wouldn't leave our daughter alone on FB. My daughter was 18 and hadn't defined (still hasn't) her views but was going to vote in the 2018 mid-terms for her first election and the step-mother wouldn't leave her alone on FB so she ended up unfriending her which caused a big stink, of course. Step-mother wouldn't come to the house for Christmas that year due to the situation.
 

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At least you know those people, lol.

I was buying a couple of storm doors @Lowe's the other day & the lady had to get all my contact info because the doors had to be ordered.

So a woman standing nearby & obviously listening in says "405, huh? Those idiots will vote for Trump again, just watch." I just kinda looked at her, dumbfounded, & said 'yeah, I'm here buying a couple of doors, I don't really care what your political opinions are & I didn't ask, so please leave me alone.'

There's a lot of things in 2020 that most of us have never experienced, but man, the constant unsolicited invocation of politics into EVERYTHING is way beyond old.
Did you say "Ma'am... Do you realize what store you're in right now?? Are you TRYIN' to make a scene??" lol
 

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I have two separate Bible study/small groups where my wife and I are the only non -Trumpers. We just keep our mouths shut when politics eventually comes up. The perceptive ones in the group notice and tone down. Unfortunately, they are vastly outnumbered. It’s just not worth creating a wall there (ironically) that may be kore permanent than the political strife.

Still, if anything’s a cult, it’s QAnon. Antifa is a close second.
The leader has not said something in general to the group or privately to those that keep it going? Your are better than me because I would let them know this probably not the place.
 

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I’m a Republican and I hate seeing how he has twisted the party into his own distorted personality. I’m holding onto hope that we can restore the conservative principles the party was built upon. Only time will tell.
What exactly did he twist? A party claiming to be fiscally responsible that never was? A party claiming to support small government that never did? A party promising to repeal the aca that had zero intention of ever doing it?

I too hope that conservative ideals can one day return to the Republican party but let's be honest, those ideals were abandoned long before Trump came along. If the GOP had actually followed those ideals, Trump could never have won the primary. As I've said a thousand times already, Trump is a symptom, not the sickness.

Those same Republicans are now jumping on the Biden bandwagon instead of the libertarian...showing that they have absolutely no intention of returning to conservative principles....maybe if Trump wins again they'll start to understand that the base is pissed off at THEM and if they want to be relevant going forward they need to return to the party platform.
 
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What exactly did he twist? A party claiming to be fiscally responsible that never was? A party claiming to support small government that never did? A party promising to repeal the aca that had zero intention of ever doing it?

I too hope that conservative ideals can one day return to the Republican party but let's be honest, those ideals were abandoned long before Trump came along. If the GOP had actually followed those ideals, Trump could never have won the primary. As I've said a thousand times already, Trump is a symptom, not the sickness.

Those same Republicans are now jumping on the Biden bandwagon instead of the libertarian...showing that they have absolutely no intention of returning to conservative principles....maybe if Trump wins again they'll start to understand that the base is pissed off at THEM and if they want to be relevant going forward they need to return to the party platform.
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Honestly, until Trump won, I thought it would be a very long time before the Republicans won the presidency again and maybe never. The demographics were not favorable and their candidates were awful. Trump will get previously unseen levels of support from non-white voters in the election. We desperately need alternatives to the current 2 party system and the libertarians ain't it, or the greens, etc..
 
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What exactly did he twist? A party claiming to be fiscally responsible that never was? A party claiming to support small government that never did? A party promising to repeal the aca that had zero intention of ever doing it?

I too hope that conservative ideals can one day return to the Republican party but let's be honest, those ideals were abandoned long before Trump came along. If the GOP had actually followed those ideals, Trump could never have won the primary. As I've said a thousand times already, Trump is a symptom, not the sickness.

Those same Republicans are now jumping on the Biden bandwagon instead of the libertarian...showing that they have absolutely no intention of returning to conservative principles....maybe if Trump wins again they'll start to understand that the base is pissed off at THEM and if they want to be relevant going forward they need to return to the party platform.
I think people forget as well that the office of the presidency is not a dictatorship. You can get a true small government conservative like Reagan in there and the budget will continue to balloon because he has to play ball with the big government pols in Congress in order to get the items on his wishlist. And then you look at Trump’s first two years where the R’s had both chambers and literally got nothing done outside of tax cuts. So it didn’t really matter what Trump was or wasn’t because he couldn’t get anything done even with his own party in control. The only way the Fed govt gets gutted is if term limits are introduced. There’s too much power in pulling those budget strings.
 

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What exactly did he twist? A party claiming to be fiscally responsible that never was? A party claiming to support small government that never did? A party promising to repeal the aca that had zero intention of ever doing it?

I too hope that conservative ideals can one day return to the Republican party but let's be honest, those ideals were abandoned long before Trump came along. If the GOP had actually followed those ideals, Trump could never have won the primary. As I've said a thousand times already, Trump is a symptom, not the sickness.

Those same Republicans are now jumping on the Biden bandwagon instead of the libertarian...showing that they have absolutely no intention of returning to conservative principles....maybe if Trump wins again they'll start to understand that the base is pissed off at THEM and if they want to be relevant going forward they need to return to the party platform.
The hyperbolic response is “What HASN’T he twisted?” I’ve addressed this many times in this forum. Everything from constitutional authority, checks and balances, campaign finance violations, placating to evangelicals while being a moral wasteland, leveraging QAnon, labeling anything negative about him in the media as “fake news,” foreign relations, Russia, Ukraine, the list goes on and on. We could get into the weeds about all these issues, but I’m not interested in that.

Help me understand your point though. The GOP has wandered from their conservative principles, so the answer is a president who has no principles? By supporting someone even further from their mores, we’re going to being the party back to it’s origins? Seems like this will simply move us further to extremes of alt-right vs. true socialism (not democratic socialism).

Republicans are jumping off the bandwagon because Trump is running it off a cliff. If he succeeds, we may never see a true conservative Republican Party again.
 

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The hyperbolic response is “What HASN’T he twisted?” I’ve addressed this many times in this forum. Everything from constitutional authority, checks and balances, campaign finance violations, placating to evangelicals while being a moral wasteland, leveraging QAnon, labeling anything negative about him in the media as “fake news,” foreign relations, Russia, Ukraine, the list goes on and on. We could get into the weeds about all these issues, but I’m not interested in that.

Help me understand your point though. The GOP has wandered from their conservative principles, so the answer is a president who has no principles? By supporting someone even further from their mores, we’re going to being the party back to it’s origins? Seems like this will simply move us further to extremes of alt-right vs. true socialism (not democratic socialism).

Republicans are jumping off the bandwagon because Trump is running it off a cliff. If he succeeds, we may never see a true conservative Republican Party again.
Which Republican candidate that Trump whipped in 2016 would be your true conservative hero?
 
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Which Republican candidate that Trump whipped in 2016 would be your true conservative hero?
I preferred just about every other Republican candidate during the primary to Trump. Although I appreciate the tax cuts, deregulation and the fact he calls out fake news, I still feel that way.
 

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A total of 17 major candidates entered the 2016 Republican race. Prior to the 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries, this was the largest presidential primary field for any political party in American history.

Some of the last standing Republican presidential candidates were Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Mike Huckabee , John Kasich, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Donald Trump and Scott Walker.

Who best represents the Republican Party ideals?
 
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A total of 17 major candidates entered the 2016 Republican race. Prior to the 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries, this was the largest presidential primary field for any political party in American history.

Some of the last standing Republican presidential candidates were Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Mike Huckabee , John Kasich, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Donald Trump and Scott Walker.

Who best represents the Republican Party ideals?
Rand Paul
 

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Help me understand your point though. The GOP has wandered from their conservative principles, so the answer is a president who has no principles?
Trump getting nominated was a rebuke of the cowardly way the Republicans have been of talking big but delivering nothing...or worse doing the opposite. To be clear I did not want Trump but I fully understand the frustration in the base that allowed him to win. I voted Johnson in 2016, not Trump, but I still would have voted Johnson over any of the other Republicans in the race besides Paul...because he was the only actual conservative.

As far as 2020 is concerned, I can't imagine how any person claiming to be conservative can support Biden in any way. I mean at least with Trump you're getting conservative judges...and if you just can't stomach Trump, you've got Jo.

The Republican elites endorsing Joe instead of Jo just shows their true colors. They would rather keep the terrible two party status quo, even as the minority party, than actually fight for conservative ideals...so screw them.
 

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Trump getting nominated was a rebuke of the cowardly way the Republicans have been of talking big but delivering nothing...or worse doing the opposite. To be clear I did not want Trump but I fully understand the frustration in the base that allowed him to win. I voted Johnson in 2016, not Trump, but I still would have voted Johnson over any of the other Republicans in the race besides Paul...because he was the only actual conservative.

As far as 2020 is concerned, I can't imagine how any person claiming to be conservative can support Biden in any way. I mean at least with Trump you're getting conservative judges...and if you just can't stomach Trump, you've got Jo.

The Republican elites endorsing Joe instead of Jo just shows their true colors. They would rather keep the terrible two party status quo, even as the minority party, than actually fight for conservative ideals...so screw them.
Delivering nothing on what exactly? I can see how frustrated voters would vote in an outsider, but Trump became a Republican in 2012 and hasn’t shown a history of conservative values. Sure, he gave tax breaks (mostly to the wealthy who didn’t need it) but he has spent at unprecedented levels and is rapidly increasing our debt. Still, I kinda get voting for him in 2016. To vote him back in after four years of him increasing executive authority, disregarding states’ rights, increasing spending, etc. seems to be a vote against true conservative principles. Many Republicans see him as a danger to democracy. Not sure a principled vote for Jo is helpful as it simply helps Trump defeat Biden. I voted third party in 2016. As much as I hate it, it is a binary decision this year.