China infiltrates US – Hunter Biden, other examples show extent of the problem

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Cimarron

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Arizona U.S. Senate candidate Mark Kelly’s activities with the Chinese Communist dictatorship have become an issue in that state’s senatorial election. Hunter Biden’s acceptance of money from allies in China, Russia and Ukraine has become an issue in the presidential election.

Some Democrats apparently find it hard to understand how ruthless and dictatorial their Communist Chinese business partners are.
In Kelly’s case, riding around China with a Chinese flag on his motorcycle was probably good for selling products and putting money in his pocket, but it also helped legitimize the totalitarian police state Xi Jinping is building. After all, if an American astronaut is comfortable waving the Chinese flag, can the dictatorship really be that bad?

Similarly, selling the giant Chinese conglomerate Tencent a role in Kelly’s surveillance balloon company offers the Chinese dictatorship an opportunity to acquire surveillance technology that will help it further control the Chinese people. At a time when the dictatorship has more than a million Muslims in concentration camps, is systematically destroying the culture of Tibetan Buddhists, and is imposing a police state on Hong Kong, offering surveillance opportunities through Tencent to Xi Jinping is a profoundly bad idea.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/china-infiltrates-us-hunter-biden-mark-kelly-newt-gingrich

Follow the money......
 
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Trump appears to have a huge loan from China too for a real estate deal in California.

The building in question is 1290 Avenue of the Americas, which is located between West Fifty-first and West Fifty-second Streets. The majority owner of the building is Vornado Realty Trust, a big real-estate company that is run by the veteran developer Steven Roth. In 2007, the Trump Organization acquired a thirty-per-cent stake in the Sixth Avenue building and also in separate Vornado development, in San Francisco. By all appearances, the Vornado stake has been one of Trump’s most successful investments, and the Bank of China played a significant role in its success. “The debt stems from a $950 million refinancing deal in 2012, to which the Bank of China chipped in $211 million,” the Politico article said. “Vornado’s federal financial disclosures show it and the other owner of 1290 Avenue of the Americas—Trump—are still indebted from the 2012 deal.”

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/donald-trumps-debt-to-china
 

Cimarron

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Trump appears to have a huge loan from China too for a real estate deal in California.

The building in question is 1290 Avenue of the Americas, which is located between West Fifty-first and West Fifty-second Streets. The majority owner of the building is Vornado Realty Trust, a big real-estate company that is run by the veteran developer Steven Roth. In 2007, the Trump Organization acquired a thirty-per-cent stake in the Sixth Avenue building and also in separate Vornado development, in San Francisco. By all appearances, the Vornado stake has been one of Trump’s most successful investments, and the Bank of China played a significant role in its success. “The debt stems from a $950 million refinancing deal in 2012, to which the Bank of China chipped in $211 million,” the Politico article said. “Vornado’s federal financial disclosures show it and the other owner of 1290 Avenue of the Americas—Trump—are still indebted from the 2012 deal.”

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/donald-trumps-debt-to-china
So?
 

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Trump appears to have a huge loan from China too for a real estate deal in California.

The building in question is 1290 Avenue of the Americas, which is located between West Fifty-first and West Fifty-second Streets. The majority owner of the building is Vornado Realty Trust, a big real-estate company that is run by the veteran developer Steven Roth. In 2007, the Trump Organization acquired a thirty-per-cent stake in the Sixth Avenue building and also in separate Vornado development, in San Francisco. By all appearances, the Vornado stake has been one of Trump’s most successful investments, and the Bank of China played a significant role in its success. “The debt stems from a $950 million refinancing deal in 2012, to which the Bank of China chipped in $211 million,” the Politico article said. “Vornado’s federal financial disclosures show it and the other owner of 1290 Avenue of the Americas—Trump—are still indebted from the 2012 deal.”

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/donald-trumps-debt-to-china
I don't think you understand. You're comparing a nothingburger to a somethingburger.
 

Cimarron

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Trump appears to have a huge loan from China too for a real estate deal in California.

The building in question is 1290 Avenue of the Americas, which is located between West Fifty-first and West Fifty-second Streets. The majority owner of the building is Vornado Realty Trust, a big real-estate company that is run by the veteran developer Steven Roth. In 2007, the Trump Organization acquired a thirty-per-cent stake in the Sixth Avenue building and also in separate Vornado development, in San Francisco. By all appearances, the Vornado stake has been one of Trump’s most successful investments, and the Bank of China played a significant role in its success. “The debt stems from a $950 million refinancing deal in 2012, to which the Bank of China chipped in $211 million,” the Politico article said. “Vornado’s federal financial disclosures show it and the other owner of 1290 Avenue of the Americas—Trump—are still indebted from the 2012 deal.”

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/donald-trumps-debt-to-china
The rumors are that you have a clothing trade agreement with China? Any truth to that?
 
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The rumors are that you have a clothing trade agreement with China? Any truth to that?
No but Ivanka Trump sure has a clothing brand that got several trade marks granted to her during her time in the White House.

https://fortune.com/2019/01/21/ivanka-trump-china-trademarks/

Really puts a different look on this quote when it is a Trump White House Member and family member who is working with Chinese Businesses.

"Some Democrats apparently find it hard to understand how ruthless and dictatorial their Communist Chinese business partners are."

But let me guess, riding a motorcycle in China and selling cheap stuff is far far worse than actual business ties and $100's of millions in debt.
 

Cimarron

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No but Ivanka Trump sure has a clothing brand that got several trade marks granted to her during her time in the White House.

https://fortune.com/2019/01/21/ivanka-trump-china-trademarks/

Really puts a different look on this quote when it is a Trump White House Member and family member who is working with Chinese Businesses.

"Some Democrats apparently find it hard to understand how ruthless and dictatorial their Communist Chinese business partners are."

But let me guess, riding a motorcycle in China and selling cheap stuff is far far worse than actual business ties and $100's of millions in debt.
You don't buy any clothing made in China?
 
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You don't buy any clothing made in China?
That has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion.

Fox News is painting Biden, Kelly and Democrats in general as being infiltrated by China. It took me literally 2 seconds to find much worse examples of ties to China in the White House. $100's of millions of dollars and DIRECT business ties.

Hell the MAGA hats are made in China. Are you freaking kidding me that you think this article you posted proves anything other than how biased you are?
 
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I am going to pile on a bit more here for you too. If we are so worried about what Biden and Kelly did, who have held no elected office to date, to "legitimize the totalitarian police state Xi Jinping is building"...

Do you think think this might paint Xi in a positive light. Did you thank Xi personally? Because Trump did on your behalf.
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Oh and let's look at Mitch McConnell's Chinese wife Elaine Chao. She has held the title of Secretary of Labor for Bush for 8 years. Woah, that position probably has some control of jobs moving oversees? When not doing that she has been in charge of the department of Transportation as head boss and several other positions over the years. Woah, I bet she has control of international shipping regulations.

When she was in the DOT she met with her Father in business meetings on his behalf. He just happend to have huge Chinese business Interests. As a matter of fact Elaine's father was so sucessfull with his business in China he gifted the McConnells between $5-25 Million dollars. That is all that was disclosed.

Elain Chao's parents, Angela and James Chao have served on the boards of a Chinese state-owned shipbuilder, and Angela has been on the board of the Bank of China, as well as the China Council for the Promotion of International Trade (which was created by the government of China).
 

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Unless it can be used to make Trump look bad, it's irrelevant. Any and all corruption, dishonesty, theft, cronyism, nepotism, foreign interference and non presidential words or actions are ignored and/or forgiven for any other politician except Trump. Those are the rules we have chosen to live be by and for some reason we think that will fix our government.
 

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That has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion.

Fox News is painting Biden, Kelly and Democrats in general as being infiltrated by China. It took me literally 2 seconds to find much worse examples of ties to China in the White House. $100's of millions of dollars and DIRECT business ties.

Hell the MAGA hats are made in China. Are you freaking kidding me that you think this article you posted proves anything other than how biased you are?
If @Cimarron was a lefty he would just say “nice whataboutism “ and render your reply unworthy of consideration. That’s how the left does it, right?
 
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If @Cimarron was a lefty he would just say “nice whataboutism “ and render your reply unworthy of consideration. That’s how the left does it, right?
Way to stick up for your buddy. Super cute team work.

What are we going to do about Kelly riding a motorcycle in China as a private citizen? Should we open multiple investigations? This is a HUGE HUGE SCANDAL. He has simply gone too far in legitimizing communists! /s

The fact this is even an article shows you how desperate conservatives are for scandals. It is beyond pathetic.
 

Cimarron

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Maybe Hunter Biden built those multi-million dollar connections to China, Russia and Ukraine through his drug dealer.
 

Cimarron

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Senate Report Reveals Hunter Biden’s Profiteering During the Obama-Biden Administration

https://aclj.org/government-corrupt...stration-went-further-than-previously-thought

The Senate report revealed even more. Hunter Biden’s lucrative ventures from his father’s high office were not limited to Ukraine, and the Biden family’s profiteering from the patriarch’s position in the White House was not limited to Hunter.

These connections netted Biden and his family millions of dollars from “foreign nationals with questionable backgrounds.” One Chinese business partner even opened a line of credit with Hunter Biden that he, his uncle James Biden, and his aunt Sara Biden used “to purchase $101,291.46 worth of extravagant items, including airline tickets and multiple items at Apple Inc. stores, pharmacies, hotels, and restaurants.”
 
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Senate Report Reveals Hunter Biden’s Profiteering During the Obama-Biden Administration

https://aclj.org/government-corrupt...stration-went-further-than-previously-thought

The Senate report revealed even more. Hunter Biden’s lucrative ventures from his father’s high office were not limited to Ukraine, and the Biden family’s profiteering from the patriarch’s position in the White House was not limited to Hunter.

These connections netted Biden and his family millions of dollars from “foreign nationals with questionable backgrounds.” One Chinese business partner even opened a line of credit with Hunter Biden that he, his uncle James Biden, and his aunt Sara Biden used “to purchase $101,291.46 worth of extravagant items, including airline tickets and multiple items at Apple Inc. stores, pharmacies, hotels, and restaurants.”
OMG, a business account was used for HOTELS! RESTAURANTS! TECH DEVICES!

This is... WOW

Let the flood gates open. Cause when you have a private US citizen doing business and spending money on business expenses. WOW
 

Cimarron

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OMG, a business account was used for HOTELS! RESTAURANTS! TECH DEVICES!

This is... WOW

Let the flood gates open. Cause when you have a private US citizen doing business and spending money on business expenses. WOW
Tell us, how many of these lucrative deals did Hunter Biden have when his father wasn't Vice President?

Do you recall the "charity" donations to the Clinton Foundation suddenly drying November 9, 2016.

It's damn obvious what was going on and if we changed the names from Biden to Trump you would call it treason.
 
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Tell us, how many of these lucrative deals did Hunter Biden have when his father wasn't Vice President?

Do you recall the "charity" donations to the Clinton Foundation suddenly drying November 9, 2016.

It's damn obvious what was going on and if we changed the names from Biden to Trump you would call it treason.
Actually private citizens can do whatever they want from a business standpoint. It is people in government positions that have legal restrictions.

Let me know where anyone has accused Eric Trump of treason for doing business deals with his Daddie's connections.