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osupsycho

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California just released a new report (July 12th) on cases and deaths from COVID. Of the ~9M youths under 18 years old , there have been ZERO deaths. Repeat ZERO deaths out of 27k cases for youths under 18.

Total deaths in the state is 7.1k. Only 450 of those below 50 years old. 77% of deaths are over 65 years of age. With 56% of total being over 75.

Other interesting stats:
1) The age group with highest percentage of cases is 18-34 year olds. 115k of the 337k statewide cases are in that group (35%). Yet only 83 deaths.

2) 47% of California is under 35 years old. Yet only 83 deaths.

This data matches New York data. This data matches UK data. Why, why, why would we close schools???

It seems like both sides are ignoring science. On one side we have the tin-foil hat group that thinks COVID is a myth and on the other side we have the fear-mongerers who treat this like everyone is an 85 year old invalid.
Why are you just focusing on deaths? The long term health defects of even those who are asymptomatic are real concerns. It has already been shown that even those that do not exhibit symptoms can have extended lung capacity issues. Furthermore those that do have a more severe case but do not die can still have long term debilitating issues such as blood clots, severe lung damage, strokes, diabetes, mental symptoms (headaches, confusion, seizures), kidney failure and limb amputations.
 
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Thanks for the correction @Deere Poke @gundysburner and @cableok. I hadn't seen that info. I'm just a bit unsettled right know with the thought of my wife (teacher) and kid (kindergarten) going back to school when we can't even keep NBA players under strict quarantine protocol from getting it...
My wife is an elementary school counselor and my sister is a 5th grade teacher. Honestly, I am not worried about them.

Also,I have two daughters at OSU and one of them will still be living in a sorority house with 80 others. I think there is a decent chance my youngest will get the virus. But I am not concerned. She is in good health.

I absolutely understand being extremely cautious with older populations and of those with other conditions. My dad is 73 and has two forms of cancer and a pacemaker. We visited him in early June and we wore masks around him constantly. I know those that are teachers that have compromised immune systems may need to make other decisions than teach - and that is tough. Hopefully with many school districts offering virtual classes as an alternative that those at risk teachers can run those classes.

I know my wife is very anxious and happy to be going back to school next month. She misses working with youngsters.
 
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Why are you just focusing on deaths? The long term health defects of even those who are asymptomatic are real concerns. It has already been shown that even those that do not exhibit symptoms can have extended lung capacity issues. Furthermore those that do have a more severe case but do not die can still have long term debilitating issues such as blood clots, severe lung damage, strokes, diabetes, mental symptoms (headaches, confusion, seizures), kidney failure and limb amputations.
If you can find data about that please share. I used deaths because # of deaths, # of cases, # of tests, and positivity rate about the easiest to find reliable data.

I don’t know how many cases resulted in kidney failure or limb amputations or diabetes. I just tried searching for that data, but can’t find. So how many and what age groups?
 
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I covered this a few days ago. These labs are less than 1% of overall tests and those labs haven't been reporting negatives the entire time. Their percent positive got worse because their outbreak got worse.
 

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If you can find data about that please share. I used deaths because # of deaths, # of cases, # of tests, and positivity rate about the easiest to find reliable data.

I don’t know how many cases resulted in kidney failure or limb amputations or diabetes. I just tried searching for that data, but can’t find. So how many and what age groups?
Obviously there has not been enough time to really study it yet but there are a LOT of indications already. Here are just a few I found quickly. I have seen unsubstantiated stuff showing that for every death from Covid there are 19 more hospitalizations and 18 of those are experiencing one or more long term major issue. Also since Covid is similar to SARS, especially in the way it affects the body, that is where they are saying a large portion could have long term lung function issues as studies have shown half of SARS patients had this issue.
Here are a few of the other stories about long term effects:

https://news.umiamihealth.org/en/what-are-the-long-term-effects-of-covid-19/

https://www.bannerhealth.com/health...term-effects-could-covid19-have-on-your-lungs

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/07/12/what-we-know-about-long/

https://www.healthline.com/health-n...complication-that-can-hit-people-in-their-20s
 

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One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong. Can you tell which of these things is not like the others by the time I finish my song?
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COVID-19 is an apple, these are oranges. Kids can avoid sudden death and impact injuries by, you know, not participating in sports. They cannot choose not to sit next to someone who is contagious, asymptomatic, and doesn't know it.

You've been consistently wrong about everything about this from the beginning. STFU donny, you're out of your element.
I know you are enjoying acting like an expert but you aren’t batting a thousand either there doctor. Oh wait you aren’t a doctor. Millions of kids have been in daycare and school since this started all over the world....childcare facilities never shutdown just schools in America...if it was a spreading this virus on any scale we would absolutely know. I’m not saying sports and virus are the same thing......I’m saying 46 kids die playing sports and we never bat an eye....educating our children is more important than sports...oh by the way thousands of kids are playing summer sports now and kids have been going back and fourth from each other’s houses for months....hell there are wrestling camps and tourneys going...I looked and can’t find a single death of a child attributed to with a school or daycare anywhere. (Not saying It hasn’t happened but I didn’t find it and the way the media is sensationalizing every non senior death if it was killing kids at a daycare Cuomo would be crying on CNN nightly) The CDC is ignoring the data from all the countries in all the graphs above with their school recommendations which are impossible for schools to meet and while precautions are being taken elsewhere no where near the restrictions they are suggesting and they came out with them over a month ago long before the current spike in cases (but after their statement on cats) which still isn’t impacting children on any scale.
 
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I covered this a few days ago. These labs are less than 1% of overall tests and those labs haven't been reporting negatives the entire time. Their percent positive got worse because their outbreak got worse.
That’s not accurate or what is being reported. Some are showing the 100% but there are also several showing 70, 80, 90% positive rates including some of the larger medical groups in the state. Those groups have confirmed the state’s numbers are not accurate.
 
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That’s not accurate or what is being reported. Some are showing the 100% but there are also several showing 70, 80, 90% positive rates including some of the larger medical groups in the state.
You're welcome to go back through the report and correct my math. I actually went through the full report from a couple days ago and did some totals, though I did it quickly and it's entirely possible I missed a few. I do not have the time nor the motivation to do it a second time.

Taking all of the data into consideration, it also seems really hard to argue that Florida's epidemic hasn't gotten significantly worse, which seems to be the larger point.
 

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Kids are going places already. They also don’t spread the disease as much. I don’t have the link, but NBC News on their Sunday show had an excellent graphic about how little youths transmit the virus.
I don’t know about that man. Most of the people from my church that got it have teen kids that likely gave it to them because of youth events.