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TheMonkey

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As someone who works at a hospital we suspended the Volunteer program in the very beginning out of fear that they would get the virus, get very ill or die and then maybe sue the system. So it's both. Also, I think some should have been given the choice to work and sign a waiver if they wanted to do that...In some instances, however, it's best they don't work if they are over certain ages or have health issues. However in the past this would not have been an issue. Volunteers, in the past, are willing to take on the risk of getting a virus or other illnesses in order to serve the public...It's just that this one was so new and hyped... and we didn't know all their risk...as time goes on I hope we can get them back as they do make a huge difference in patient and especially family care, and guest services. They are missed big time in my area.
I could see that. We had to visit an ER yesterday because my son may have fractured and sprained his hand/wrist during soccer (other player 5 feet away kicked a rocket directly into his hand). There was a couple already in there and the husband was trying to get anyone’s attention as his wife was having chest pains and difficulty breathing. They were practically ignored, in an ER entry. I finally found a buzzer outside the entryway and got ahold of someone. At the same time, I understand the precaution with volunteers. I was wondering if a waiver would help, but it’s likely a delicate matter.
 

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The first thing to understand is that all of us including Dr. Fauci are leaning about this virus as we go. Too many
listen to "experts" of their chooseing and fail to understand the magnitude of the problem.
I totally get that we’re learning. But why have a radiologist give guidance on infectious diseases? My son may have fractured bones, we’re not going to the dentist to get his opinion.
 
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I'd agree with this...but I'm still voting for him over the lump of meat that the Democrats have running as the Anti-Trump candidate and the party backing him because they want extreme policy and massive government programs that would bankrupt Americans. Also the timing of this crappy year, IMHO, is on their back in their cheerleading for the Virus, Racial division, and anything else that will hurt the American economic machine...It's as if they have made a 2020 deal with the Devil to defeat trump and to hell with the American people that it lays waste too in it's wake. This is on them, not Trump.
I understand your view point as well. I am concerned that Biden will not stand up against the growing radical members of his party.
I don’t understand why Biden has not come out forcefully against court-packing.
I don’t understand why it took months for Biden to come out against defunding the police.
I understand why, but I don’t agree why Biden and Harris continue to tacitly support identity politics that drives a wedge and creates further division in this country.

But I also understand why people cannot support Trump. His behavior, tweeting, and actions are beyond over the top. I admit, after seeing how he reacts like a child when his is mad at others, I am concerned how he would handle a nuclear crisis.
 
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I could see that. We had to visit an ER yesterday because my son may have fractured and sprained his hand/wrist during soccer (other player 5 feet away kicked a rocket directly into his hand). There was a couple already in there and the husband was trying to get anyone’s attention as his wife was having chest pains and difficulty breathing. They were practically ignored, in an ER entry. I finally found a buzzer outside the entryway and got ahold of someone. At the same time, I understand the precaution with volunteers. I was wondering if a waiver would help, but it’s likely a delicate matter.
Too many people are staying away from needed care because of fear from the virus. Early studies show we are seeing increased deaths from other common treatable diseases.
 
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That’s why I asked for someone who works for a hospital to comment. Otherwise we’re throwing our worthless opinions back/forth on this. FYI - liability would mean avoiding the legal repercussions of a safety issue.

Nice ad hominem, BTW. Someone told me that was the ultimate sign of losing an argument.
As I stated in the post you responded to, my wife is a nurse at a hospital so that's where my position comes from. I'm sure different hospitals have different policies so that's just one example.

You're right, I shouldn't have included "like you" in my example. I was responding the the shitty meme you posted doing basically the same thing.
 
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I could see that. We had to visit an ER yesterday because my son may have fractured and sprained his hand/wrist during soccer (other player 5 feet away kicked a rocket directly into his hand). There was a couple already in there and the husband was trying to get anyone’s attention as his wife was having chest pains and difficulty breathing. They were practically ignored, in an ER entry. I finally found a buzzer outside the entryway and got ahold of someone. At the same time, I understand the precaution with volunteers. I was wondering if a waiver would help, but it’s likely a delicate matter.
Hope everything works out with your son's wrist. My youngest got her hand stepped on in her soccer game last weekend and it's still bruised up and sore.
 

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As I stated in the post you responded to, my wife is a nurse at a hospital so that's where my position comes from. I'm sure different hospitals have different policies so that's just one example.

You're right, I shouldn't have included "like you" in my example. I was responding the the shitty meme you posted doing basically the same thing.
So, your wife shares that opinion? It wasn’t clear in your comment:
I think the restriction is someone like you making a decision based on fear or liability and not factoring in how they are actually making things worse.
Fear of what? Liability for what?
 

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Hope everything works out with your son's wrist. My youngest got her hand stepped on in her soccer game last weekend and it's still bruised up and sore.
Thanks. He’s a tough mofo. He wouldn’t come out of the game because we had no subs due to other injuries. We had to have a trainer call him off the field. He was more upset about letting down his team than he was about the injury.

Hope your daughter heals up quickly as well!
 
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So, your wife shares that opinion? It wasn’t clear in your comment:


Fear of what? Liability for what?
Yes. She's spends time doing things she didn't have to before and it takes away from patient care.

Exactly. I think administrators were worried about getting sued by somebody that caught the virus early on and suspended the programs. Now that we have more data as to the risks, people should be able to make their own decisions.

I really don't fault anyone's initial response since there were so many unknowns but the time has passed to be afraid of it.
 

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I could see that. We had to visit an ER yesterday because my son may have fractured and sprained his hand/wrist during soccer (other player 5 feet away kicked a rocket directly into his hand). There was a couple already in there and the husband was trying to get anyone’s attention as his wife was having chest pains and difficulty breathing. They were practically ignored, in an ER entry. I finally found a buzzer outside the entryway and got ahold of someone. At the same time, I understand the precaution with volunteers. I was wondering if a waiver would help, but it’s likely a delicate matter.
Man, that was a hectic day for your family. Hope your son heals quickly. I hate those days. Agreed, it's a delicate matter and hospitals, IMHO wrongly, have been moving to protect liability in terms of Volunteer staffing, even prior to Covid. We now must hire folks, increasing patient cost, to staff areas that we formerly allowed volunteers to work. I don't know if you recall the Disney lawsuit a few years ago about having Volunteers do things Staff could do, but it's kind of like that. Covid only re-enforced that move...certainly understandable on both sides, but Hospitals are losing a great asset that helped us over the years in Volunteers who did many of the front of house jobs because they love people...not for money, just out of love. It's going to be a tricky navigation as we move forward.
 
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Too many people are staying away from needed care because of fear from the virus. Early studies show we are seeing increased deaths from other common treatable diseases.
While residents have taken to social distancing, cancer does not pause. The delay in diagnosis will likely lead to presentation at more advanced stages and poorer clinical outcomes. One study suggests a potential increase of 33 890 excessive cancer deaths in the United States.6 Our findings are consistent with previous research,1-3,5and they call for urgent planning to address the consequences of delayed diagnoses.

Covid-19 deaths will only represent 4.4% of all 2020 deaths in Oklahoma if the present death rates continue for the remainder of the year. Deaths attributed to Heart Disease, Cancer, Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease, Accidents, Stroke, and Alzheimer’s Disease exceed projected rates of Covid-19 deaths.

1. Heart Disease
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3. Chronic Lower Respiratory Disease
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5. Stroke
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6. Alzheimer’s disease
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Once again, if you don't believe masks work then I invite you to go to Mercy, St. Anthony, or Baptist. Go to the COVID ward. Visit a COVID patient. Without a mask. Ask the patient to take their mask off. Invite them to cough on you. Stand close when they do it. Do all that and you'll convince me they're worthless.

Let me know when you do.
So, follow up to this. Even though I know you weren't serious. I did ask my wife about coming up there when she's treating a covid patient and obviously, no visitors are allowed but I did learn of an unintended consequence of the response. They no longer allow any volunteers to help with admits and other tasks. So now the regular hospital staff have to do extra work in addition to treating patients. Another case of the cure possibly being worse than the disease.
Let me get this straight, you are complaining that people who get paid have to do work instead of people who don't get paid? And you think it is somehow bad that people who get paid have to do work?

OMG! The world is coming to an end! People who get paid have to do work! When will this madness ever end!?!?!?

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I understand your view point as well. I am concerned that Biden will not stand up against the growing radical members of his party.
I don’t understand why Biden has not come out forcefully against court-packing.
I don’t understand why it took months for Biden to come out against defunding the police.
I understand why, but I don’t agree why Biden and Harris continue to tacitly support identity politics that drives a wedge and creates further division in this country.

But I also understand why people cannot support Trump. His behavior, tweeting, and actions are beyond over the top. I admit, after seeing how he reacts like a child when his is mad at others, I am concerned how he would handle a nuclear crisis.
Doesn't it take several people in agreement to conduct a launch? I've never been comfortable with one person having that responsibility. I would hope that there are some restraints on the POTUS, whomever that is, in that regard. Otherwise I agree with your entire post...if I thought Trump had massive control of the government I would vote for someone else in this election, (likely the Independent or Libertarian) or abstain from voting. But policy wise I line up with Trump...just not personality wise. It's the same dilemma as 2016...Corrupt Democrat VS Childish Trump...to me nothing has changed in that regard....I am also a little concerned that Trump is off the rails a bit...especially after that stupid debate where they both (honestly Trump more than Biden) looked so foolish. Not sure what the next one is going to bring, but hope that it's reigned in on his part especially. He's always been his worst enemy...this is NOT a change for him.