Eddie Sutton: Basketball HOF Finalist - 2020 version

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https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...all-hall-of-fame-finalists-for-class-of-2020/

The 2019 Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame inducted a class that lacked star power by its usual standards. With no superstars hitting the five-year retirement threshold, a number of older, lesser-known players like Jack Sikma and Bobby Jones were enshrined in Springfield. That won't be the case this year, though. The Hall of Fame just announced its 2020 finalists, and the class looks to be absolutely loaded with big names.

  • Kim Mulkey
  • Rudy Tomjanovich
  • Barbara Stevens
  • Eddie Sutton
  • Tim Duncan
  • Tamika Catchings
  • Kevin Garnett
  • Kobe Bryant
While the legends will garner the bulk of the attention, the class as a whole has eight finalists. Mulkey and Stevens are among the greatest coaches in women's basketball history. Catchings is a WNBA and collegiate legends. Sutton is among the leaders in victories among collegiate coaches in his remarkable career. And Tomjanovich won two championships as coach of the Houston Rockets before a brief stint coaching Bryant and the Lakers.
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Surely, after last year's fiasco, this is the year, right? Right?
 
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A bit more on the change in the voting process this year. If Eddie isn't voted in this year, then, yeah, complete screw job.

It seems as those they are going for big names on this, unlike last year where you had a bunch of mediocre/good, but not great, players somehow make it in. So for the nominating committee to include Eddie on the ballot, to me, it says they think he is deserving. With so few on the ballot, it would be glaring to not greenlight Eddie.
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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...an-kevin-garnett-headline-hall-fame-finalists

The combination of Bryant's passing and the enormity of the three names atop the ballot caused the Hall's nominating committee, led by chairman Jerry Colangelo, to change its rules this year by limiting the class to eight nominees to be voted upon and eliminating the direct-elect selections on a one-year trial basis.

The goal, Colangelo said, was to avoid the lesser-known honorees being lost amid the interest in the star names headlining this year's event.

"[That's] because of the enormity -- even before Kobe's death -- that we think Kobe and Duncan and Garnett bring to it," Colangelo said. "We've never had a class that strong at the top. And of course with Kobe's death, it added more focus.

"We thought the way of dealing with it was eliminating some direct-elects on a one-year basis. We have that flexibility, fortunately, to do it because some people could get lost in the shuffle, really, in terms of getting their due."
 
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Here are some college coaches who were candidates for 2020 enshrinement, but didn't make the cut for finalist:

Bob Huggins
Gene Keady
Rollie Massimino
Danny Miles
Jim Phelan
Bo Ryan
Jay Wright

That Jay Wright was just named AP Coach of the Decade and was bypassed says a lot to me.

Additionally, players such as Chris Bosh, Tim Hardaway, Mark Jackson, Chris Webber, and Ben Wallace weren't promoted.

With the finalist class being intentionally small, and having to go back to 2009 to find fewer than 10 inductees, it seems that the nominating committee cleared the way this year.

It's telling to me that Colangelo stated they don't want lesser-known honorees being lost among the stars.
 
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From Bill Haisten...

Bill Self, ESPN’s Fran Fraschilla and Doug Gottlieb have been consistent advocates of Sutton’s candidacy. Coaches Chris Beard of Texas Tech and Kim Mulkey of Baylor have lobbied on behalf of Sutton.

Before the Red Raiders played at Oklahoma State last week, Beard outfitted his players in pregame shooting shirts that had “HALL OF FAME” printed on the front and “Coach Sutton 806” on the back.

Three of Sutton’s 1995 Final Four Cowboys — Randy Rutherford, Bryant Reeves and Chianti Roberts — addressed the Hall of Fame issue.

Rutherford: “I don’t have to give a sales pitch. The fact that he’s not in the Hall of Fame is a shame on the Hall of Fame.”

Reeves: “I have no idea why (Sutton hasn’t been selected), but it’s a shame on them.”

Roberts: “When (voters) look at themselves in the (mirror), can they sleep at night?”
Also, our editorial cartoonist Bruce Plante did another cartoon on the HOF issue.
 
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The reality is we don't know because it dumb and anonymous, but I think people assume both his Kentucky firing for recruitment violations (supposedly, though I believe he was never found in violation of anything) and then being pushed out here because of the DUI. We shouldn't downplay the DUI as a factor. I was a student when it happened and he honestly could have easily killed the person he hit. I'm not relitigating that, though, and it shouldn't keep him out of the HOF, especially after how he responded. Just explaining how the voters *might* see it.
 
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I've stated this before here, but by deduction, with a few data points, I think UK is the only logical conclusion. I toss out the character stuff because that would eliminate several coaches who are already in. Leading the pack in that category would be the ultimate racist, Adolph Rupp. Prior to Eddie, The Hall has been about on court achievement, not character. The envelope falling open in an LA mail handling facility was about as bogus as it gets. It was a setup that wasn't even very clever. OSU vetted Eddie thoroughly before hiring due to our being under severe football sanctions. We were assured by the NCAA and UK that Eddie was clean.

In my working career during the 1990's, many of my peers were from Lexington. This does not apply to all of them, but there is a core within that is passionate about UK BB beyond anything you can imagine. It makes the Sooners look apathetic. In this core is a HATRED for Sutton that defies any description. They blame him for the cheating mess that UK had in the early 90's. They won't admit that his real sin was not winning a natty. I have met some of these folks and don't have words to describe the depth of their rage.
 
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Today's Tulsa World editorial on the subject...

His teams became champions in the Southwest, Southeast, Big Eight and Big 12 conferences. He has been named National Coach of the year by the Associated Press twice and conference coach of the year eight times.

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It has been maddeningly frustrating that Sutton has been denied entry for so many years. It’s also been a mystery why he has been shut out.

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Looking at the members of the hall of fame, we see his failings as being no worse than some others. Some arguably have had greater sins.

Each year, this rejection grows more callous and illogical.

This year, the jurors, at least 18 of them, need to find their way to right this wrong. Sutton deserves basketball’s highest honor.
 
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The reality is we don't know because it dumb and anonymous, but I think people assume both his Kentucky firing for recruitment violations (supposedly, though I believe he was never found in violation of anything) and then being pushed out here because of the DUI. We shouldn't downplay the DUI as a factor. I was a student when it happened and he honestly could have easily killed the person he hit. I'm not relitigating that, though, and it shouldn't keep him out of the HOF, especially after how he responded. Just explaining how the voters *might* see it.
Definitely not the DUI. Plenty of people with questionable off-court problems are in the Hall of Fame. It's the Kentucky mafia.
 
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I've stated this before here, but by deduction, with a few data points, I think UK is the only logical conclusion. I toss out the character stuff because that would eliminate several coaches who are already in. Leading the pack in that category would be the ultimate racist, Adolph Rupp. Prior to Eddie, The Hall has been about on court achievement, not character. The envelope falling open in an LA mail handling facility was about as bogus as it gets. It was a setup that wasn't even very clever. OSU vetted Eddie thoroughly before hiring due to our being under severe football sanctions. We were assured by the NCAA and UK that Eddie was clean.

In my working career during the 1990's, many of my peers were from Lexington. This does not apply to all of them, but there is a core within that is passionate about UK BB beyond anything you can imagine. It makes the Sooners look apathetic. In this core is a HATRED for Sutton that defies any description. They blame him for the cheating mess that UK had in the early 90's. They won't admit that his real sin was not winning a natty. I have met some of these folks and don't have words to describe the depth of their rage.
Not discounting that hatred. My job has taken me to live in multiple states over the last decade and virtually every time I met a die hard basketball fan, they brought up the crash. Most of them also thought Travis Ford was more successful than he was, oddly enough.
 
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Not discounting that hatred. My job has taken me to live in multiple states over the last decade and virtually every time I met a die hard basketball fan, they brought up the crash. Most of them also thought Travis Ford was more successful than he was, oddly enough.
I take you are in the psychiatric field so all the people you talk to are crazy to think this
 
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I take you are in the psychiatric field so all the people you talk to are crazy to think this
That falls under patient confidentiality. These are all mental health professionals. Just crazy in a more acceptable way.

Though honestly I've heard that comment about Ford from even casual conversations in airports. "Why did you all fire Ford? He had Smart and seemed like a good coach. No offense, but you aren't winning a national title any time soon. So, why fire him?" Then I go on to explain everything we all know (only one tourney win, none with smart, never being even close to winning the conference). At least four times, I've had to explain that to people.