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Holgorsen Has Already Had as Many as Six Alcohol Related Incidents at West Virginia

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  1. OSUfanCliff

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    I think you exaggerate the change in attitude. My guess is that the majority of the posters on this board would welcome him back in a New York minute even after the bad PR in West Virginia. I also think a fair percentage of those would welcome the news of him replacing Gundy as head coach.

    I think the main difference is that a few of us who never really cared that much for him are perhaps a bit more vocal.

    As for what happened last year, there were rumors of his week night drinking in Tulsa and OKC as well as Stillwater, but nothing in the press. I personally think the press tended to look the other way because he was a colorful character that made good copy.

    But I could be wrong. I understand that some of the alleged occurrences of issues in West Virginia are now being disputed. Perhaps he isn't quite the drunk that some have made him out to be.
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    He was also an assistant, albeit a good one. When Gundy was an assistant, he punched a limo driver out. Mike Stoops got drunk and felandered around Norman. Neither of which made front page headlines. Maybe because they were just "assistants" or maybe because the press in our state tends to have a few good ol' boys look the other way for football coaches. The goons tend to have a few more on payroll than we do however. I would imagine the dynamic in WV could be quite different.
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    I think I have more respect for prostitute-mongers than I do this type of monger... no... come to think of it... I know I do.

    I've been the victim of rumormongering before but have never been bothered by a John doing his thing.
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    I think you nailed it right there. When you are a head coach you ARE the face of the university (for better or worse.) When you are just an assistant you represent the university, but you are held to a much lower standard than that of the head coach. I think that is where the difference really lies. As soon as you make the jump from asst. to HC you are expected to also make the necessary lifestyle changes to properly represent an institution of higher learning, and I for one, thinks that is how it should be. When you are an assistant, you are really just an employee and as long as you do your job well and aren't TOO big of a jackass, nobody really cares how you live your personal life.

    On a personal level, I love(d) Holgy. I think he was a really interesting personal and an exceptional coach, and I wish we could have kept him for 40 years as an assistant, but I wouldn't trade Mike Gundy for him as a Head Coach for anything in the world. I know Mike Gundy takes some lumps in this forum for various reasons, (some deserved and some otherwise) but one thing that nobody disputes is that he makes OSU look good. He holds the banner for this university with the utmost of integrity and conducts his business in a manner that we can be proud of.

    I was reading a thread over at Shaggybevo the other day, and they were talking about how it was easy to be proud of their athletic dept. for how (relatively) clean it is and how their compliance dept. and Mack run a pretty clean program. It got me to thinking about that concept with OSU and while I know absolutely nothing about the quality of our compliance dept, I know that I can proudly say that our head coach runs a clean program for his part and he truly cares about OSU more than winning, his job, or money. Sure, every program has the occasional knucklehead athlete do something stupid, and that is not a knock on ANY program, it is unavoidable. What is important is how the administration handles it, and I don't think the members of our football administration have made a significant misstep in that area yet.
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    I don't know much about him getting out of line or anything, but I know that he drank his fair share when he was in Stillwater. I have a friend that tends the bar in a restaurant downtown that actually made pretty good friends with Holgy while he was with OSU. He said Holgy would come in, drink all night, get completely sh**faced and then call Graham Harrell (when he was in town) and make him come drive him home. He also said that he might be 6 or 7 tall glasses of beer into a night and all the sudden get inspired and grab a napkin or something and design a play right there in the bar. It's like he is some sort of savant or something.
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    What did he do when Graham was not in town? Does your friend know?

    I believe that there have been at least two other people who have posted that there was always someone to drive him home at the end of an evening, and I have wondered if that was the result of his personal arrangements, or if it was OSU athletic department policy to provide him with a ride home.
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    I have no idea. I know my friend was pretty upset when he found out that Holgy took the Virginia job, because apparently every time they came in he was sure to get a nice little bump in the tip department.
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    Hey Ryder, you keep dropping these hints and I am a fool for a mystery. :D

    I had already clicked the Go button at the bottom to select a new topic to real when I felt something gnawing on me. What was that about "they"? I looked again and sure enough:

    "...every time they came in..."

    He apparently didn't come in alone. Did he come in with other members of the athletic department or was it perhaps a mixed party of friends outside the department? In short, who were "they"?
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    Re: Holgorsen Has Already Had as Many as Six Alcohol Related Incidents at West Virgin

    Can we bribe Holgs back with some bourbon?
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    We'll have to find someone new and local to stalk for our gossip fodder. West Virginia is just too far away.

    To the best of my knowledge, none of our current coaches are on the way out... so who should we have our stalking network of tell-all's target for smear next?

    Hhhhmmmmm

    I guess we can just continue to collect secret dirt on the current one's just in case they become ex's one day.

    You stalkers need to be sure and remain "trusted friends" ( ;) ) to continue to get the really good stuff. The witless fools may even tip you or give you some good inside scoop to peddle.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzTeLePbB08

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    Re: Holgorsen Has Already Had as Many as Six Alcohol Related Incidents at West Virgin

    RA needs to check his facts more often. He was talking about what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. He actually thought that the casino incident happened in Vegas.
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    Re: Holgorsen Has Already Had as Many as Six Alcohol Related Incidents at West Virgin

    BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Traitor at the Puskar Center

    I debated and deliberated for the last hour about whether or not I should post the following, given my Rumor Mill post from earlier today.

    I’ve been DM’ing people on Twitter the latest info about what’s going on regarding the WVU Coaching Staff. And, after realizing that bloggers have freedoms that traditional writers do not have, I have decided to go ahead and post the following. I must warn you, this is not going to be pretty by any stretch of the imagination. So, grab a beer and hang on.

    Anyone remember last week’s article that was put in the Huntington Herald-Dispatch by none other than Cheap Suit Chucky? Well, read our version of it, then come back here.


    Turns out all of that stuff was leaked by none other than Karen Stewart, Bill’s wife.

    Anyone remember the infamous “Karen in Morgantown” that called in to Statewide Sportsline back in December of 2010 and just bawled on the air over Bill Stewart’s days as WVU Football Head Coach being numbers? This makes sense.

    Earlier this evening, I had heard it was Bill himself who leaked info to Landon. However, I am now hearing that it was Mrs. Stewart.

    I’ve also been hearing from several folks that Mike Casazza, WVU sports beat writer at the Charleston Daily-Mail, will be posting an article in regards to what I’ve been discussing for the last hour with people.

    There are also some rumblings that Jeff Casteel wants out. I don’t believe that one for a minute. Oliver Luck had to have taken care of Jeff Casteel during this transition… WVU is lucky to have the #1 underrated defensive genius in the country.

    I decided that it was time to pull the trigger and release it to the world before anyone else does.

    Earlier today, I called for Head Coach Bill Stewart to be fired. I still stand by that, more than ever. Oliver Luck has a lot of damage control to do, in my opinion.

    Just like I’ve been reiterating, I still fully and completely back both Oliver Luck and Dana Holgorsen 100%.

    Am I afraid of the backlash? No. Am I prepared for the backlash? Yes. I am not afraid of being wrong. It has happened before.

    Goodnight, folks. I’m sure we’ll have more in the morning. The best thing for Mountaineer Nation to do right now is get some sleep, and lots of it.
    http://hailwv.com/2011/06/05/breaking-exclusive-traitor-at-the-puskar-center/
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    My gosh... WVU is going to be bad next year.
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    A modest proposal for West Virginia

    Posted by Adam Jacobi

    Good evening, West Virginia athletic director Oliver Luck. I see times are a little rough in your football program today. What looked three months ago like a blueprint for a seamless transition into the future is now a seemingly untenable situation, one that splits your program and coaching staff in twain. That's not good to see, Mr. Luck. It harms your program, your school, your conference, and your sport.

    Clearly, a fast and permanent situation is needed.

    First things first: Bill Stewart must be fired. If either head coach Bill Stewart or his wife Karen Stewart are leaking damaging information to the press about head-coach-in-waiting Dana Holgorsen, they're clearly not "team players." That goes doubly if the leaks are gross exaggerations or outright fabrications. West Virginia needs a team player atop its football program, and let's be honest, Stewart was never in favor of the coach-in-waiting approach to begin with. So since what you really wanted all along was for Bill Stewart to no longer be coaching your program by 2012, Mr. Stewart has seen fit to accelerate the process. You should act accordingly.

    Second things second: Dana Holgorsen must be fired. Yes, this is harsh, but it is clear that Mr. Holgorsen cannot be trusted with full control of this football program right now. Even as the worst report of his exploits was exaggerated, he still made headlines for his conduct outside of work hours, and that cannot be ignored. No, that incident in and of itself is not a fireable offense, except for the fact that Stewart is already fired. That means WVU would be forced to hire a coach for one year, for the sole purpose of sticking around until Holgorsen acclimates himself with the culture surrounding West Virginia Mountaineers football. That was the arrangement under which he was hired, and it seems that he has failed to meet that goal thus far. You, Mr. Luck, do not have the luxury of patience on this issue any longer! Holgorsen must go.

    Third things third: There is basically nobody you can hire. We have established that Holgorsen does not meet the standards previously set forth for a proper head coach of West Virginia, being of such little experience from a culture standpoint. That is an admirable approach to take, and more athletic departments should hold themselves to such high levels of principle in such important matters. However, this also places WVU in an unenviable position, because any other coach is even farther behind in the curve than Holgorsen. West Virginia football requires a West Virginia Man, and the Venn Diagram between viable football coaches and West Virginia Men is almost two adjacent circles.

    Almost.

    Fourth things fourth: All hope is not lost. There is, however, one man you can hire, one man that most perfectly fits all necessary criteria. Allow us then, Mr. Luck, to make a most modest proposal.



    Now, now, Mr. Luck: hear us out. Please put the phone down. We don't need to bring security guards into this matter and make it weird. Mr. Rich Rodriguez is the rare coach who has significant and successful BCS-level head coaching experience, is under 50 years old, and is available immediately for employment. Why, he even has seven years of experience coaching your very own West Virginia Mountaineers! Seven! Had he not made the fatal error of trusting Greg Robinson, Mr. Rodriguez would undoubtedly still be coaching the Michigan Wolverines today. If he's good enough for Michigan, my goodness, he must be good enough for West Virginia again!

    And yes, I grant you that this particular arrangement did not end on a happy note for any parties involved. There was some, shall we say, hostility on both ends, and nobody wants to spend such time wallowing in the type of behavior that makes men monsters, do we? After all, Mr. Rodriguez has publicly acknowledged that he made a mistake in leaving West Virginia for Michigan, and certainly you, Mr. Luck, can acknowledge that the Bill Stewart and Dana Holgorsen hirings have been mistakes as well, no? And now, both parties are in a unique position to rectify all such mistakes. Bring things back to the "good old days." Why, Mr. Rodriguez was so generously compensated at Michigan that he would probably even be able to withstand the relative poverty of a Big East contract for a few years. Quite magnanimous, if you ask me.

    So, Mr. Luck and the rest of West Virginia: when shall you be announcing the return of Mr. Rodriguez to Morgantown?


    Editor's note: "A Modest Proposal" is a famous piece of satire by Jonathan Swift. It advocated eating one's children. Please bear that in mind when reading this article.
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    This is new to me. If I ask about details am I going to get the thread locked?

    I will say though it's about time someone did this. Those limo drivers with there little hats and take charge "I'll be the driver" attitude have it coming.
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    Juicy juice!

    http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/29855310

    “It was actually my birthday, December 18, it was the day he (Stewart) was going to the bowl game because I distinctly remember there was a coaches convention in Pittsburgh with high school coaches. He was (then) flying from Pittsburgh down to Orlando to the bowl game for pre-prep work..“

    ” … He (Stewart) tried to flame-throw the guy (Holgorsen) in December by calling me and at least one other reporter because the reporter and I discussed it. He said, ‘can you get the word ’scumbag’ tattooed on the front of the sports page?’

    “‘(Stewart said) you need to dig up this dirt. You need to get it out on this guy.’ And I said, ‘hey man, I’m not a part of some witch hunt.’” “… If you want to go look at my cell phone records you can, I don’t need to hide from it. The conversation happened the day he (Stewart) was driving to the airport from the high school coaches convention in Pittsburgh. He was on his way to Orlando. Dave McMichael (West Virginia assistant coach) was in the car with him. The conversation happened.”
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    This is like an off season reality show for OP.com. I may be too good to watch those phoney, scripted, stupid reality shows, but I'm all over this one.

    :popcorn:
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    Whoever these people are, if they exist, are crazy in the head.
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    If evil villains cease to exist, best to create new imaginary one's. Otherwise, all the effort to combat said evil villains is impossible to justify... and justify it one must when such is their stock in trade... their schtick.

    ;)
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    So profound. So eloquent. So useless.

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