House(Senate) expected to (not)Impeach Trump ??..announcement at 3pm CST

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Binman4OSU

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Did you just start paying attention to the executive branch the past three years? Go back and look at how many time O blocked testimony and document releases during Benghazi and Fast and Furious hearings. It's not just O Bush did it Clinton did it Reagan did it Carter did it keep going on down the line. You act like executive privilege is something new.
When you talk specifically about Executive Privilege specifically used by a POTUS

Obama used it 1 time. Once to block DOJ documents on Fast and Furious

Trump has used it 2 times. Once on the Mueller Report and Once over the citizenship question on the 2020 census

George W used it 4 times. Denying disclosure of details regarding Janet Reno and the FBI in misuse of organized crime informants

Once in Congress requesting documents of Dick Cheney's meetings with energy execs

Once blocking a Congressional subpoena to force Harriet Miers to testify in regards to Cheney's meetings with energy execs

Once to reject a subpoena for Karl Rove to testify before the Senate over fired prosecutors

Clinton used it 14 times

George H W Bush never used it but warned he would if needed

Reagan never used it but signed a directive stating if Congress sought info subject to executive privilege he would

Executive privilege didn't exist until Nixon when the Supreme Court ruled that executive privilege and congressional oversight are both consequences of the doctrine of the separation of powers.
 

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When you talk specifically about Executive Privilege specifically used by a POTUS

Obama used it 1 time. Once to block DOJ documents on Fast and Furious

Trump has used it 2 times. Once on the Mueller Report and Once over the citizenship question on the 2020 census

George W used it 4 times. Denying disclosure of details regarding Janet Reno and the FBI in misuse of organized crime informants

Once in Congress requesting documents of Dick Cheney's meetings with energy execs

Once blocking a Congressional subpoena to force Harriet Miers to testify in regards to Cheney's meetings with energy execs

Once to reject a subpoena for Karl Rove to testify before the Senate over fired prosecutors

Clinton used it 14 times

George H W Bush never used it but warned he would if needed

Reagan never used it but signed a directive stating if Congress sought info subject to executive privilege he would

Executive privilege didn't exist until Nixon when the Supreme Court ruled that executive privilege and congressional oversight are both consequences of the doctrine of the separation of powers.
Curious... What were Hillary's *cough*ahem* sorry... what were Bill's 14 uses?
 

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Clinton used it 14 times
The saddest part about this is that many of the Dems in DC who are criticizing Trump over claiming executive privilege are the EXACT SAME Dems that were defending Clinton for claiming executive privilege. And to be fair, many of the EXACT SAME Reps who voted to Impeach Clinton are now defending Trump.

And just to clarify, it's not the hypocrisy that is the saddest part, although that is pretty sad.....no the saddest thing is that these members of Congress are able to be hypocrites on two incidents separated by so much time. We have people who have been in charge of our government for more than 2 or even 3 decades and they are trying to tell us they aren't the problem, that they can fix our problems.....what a crock.....we deserve whatever we get by believing that BS.
 

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The saddest part about this is that many of the Dems in DC who are criticizing Trump over claiming executive privilege are the EXACT SAME Dems that were defending Clinton for claiming executive privilege. And to be fair, many of the EXACT SAME Reps who voted to Impeach Clinton are now defending Trump.

And just to clarify, it's not the hypocrisy that is the saddest part, although that is pretty sad.....no the saddest thing is that these members of Congress are able to be hypocrites on two incidents separated by so much time. We have people who have been in charge of our government for more than 2 or even 3 decades and they are trying to tell us they aren't the problem, that they can fix our problems.....what a crock.....we deserve whatever we get by believing that BS.
The electorate absolutely deserves the government they put in office.

People are stupid.

We deserve every bit of this.

We need to be smarter. Good luck with that. We're getting stupider.
 
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Just curious are charges being recommended based on the IG report? Did it say that the Mueller Report was inaccurate in its finding that Russia interfered in 2016? Did it refute that there were over 270 contacts between associates of the Trump campaign & Russian agents? Did it recommend the DOJ seek to overturn any of the indictments against 27 individuals or the guilty pleas/verdicts against Trump’s NSA, campaign manager, deputy campaign manager or campaign consultant? How about against his personal attorney? Is anyone that Trump either directly or through his media surrogates indirectly promised us was going to be brought to justice actually being brought to justice?

He’s a con. He’s running a con because that’s all he knows. It’s all he’s ever done. One of the problems w cons is the bigger the stage the wider the con has to be. But just like most cons they eventually run out of lies and cover. This one will also. Maybe by 2020. Maybe by 2024. Maybe 20 years from now. But it will.

Funny how every investigation from 1/20/17 to now regarding Russia has been at the hands of Rs (they controlled House, Senate, DOJ) even this Horowitz report & not one D or “deep state operative” has been indicted yet we have a basket of Trump associates all bc of Republican led investigations.

And now Trump himself is being impeached because he got caught in yet another con. His personal attorney is being investigated on yet an additional scheme involving Trump.
 
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It’s blowing up, the party is closer to being over I would hope some Patriots regardless of political party would approve of evil being exposed.The corrupt and perverse are nervous are very afraid, let it be.
 

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Just curious are charges being recommended based on the IG report? Did it say that the Mueller Report was inaccurate in its finding that Russia interfered in 2016? Did it refute that there were over 270 contacts between associates of the Trump campaign & Russian agents? Did it recommend the DOJ seek to overturn any of the indictments against 27 individuals or the guilty pleas/verdicts against Trump’s NSA, campaign manager, deputy campaign manager or campaign consultant? How about against his personal attorney? Is anyone that Trump either directly or through his media surrogates indirectly promised us was going to be brought to justice actually being brought to justice?

He’s a con. He’s running a con because that’s all he knows. It’s all he’s ever done. One of the problems w cons is the bigger the stage the wider the con has to be. But just like most cons they eventually run out of lies and cover. This one will also. Maybe by 2020. Maybe by 2024. Maybe 20 years from now. But it will.

Funny how every investigation from 1/20/17 to now regarding Russia has been at the hands of Rs (they controlled House, Senate, DOJ) even this Horowitz report & not one D or “deep state operative” has been indicted yet we have a basket of Trump associates all bc of Republican led investigations.

And now Trump himself is being impeached because he got caught in yet another con. His personal attorney is being investigated on yet an additional scheme involving Trump.
Have you been following this at all. The Obama DOJ did exactly what Nixon did during Watergate and used the Russia BS to cover it up. Listen to the report every step further into the investigation from day 1 further exonerated Trump but they kept digging and spying on an opposition campaign long after they should have stopped. It's the most outlandish abuse of power by a federal law enforcement agency in the history of the country and your not bothered by it. This goes well beyond party lines.
 

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When you talk specifically about Executive Privilege specifically used by a POTUS

Obama used it 1 time. Once to block DOJ documents on Fast and Furious

Trump has used it 2 times. Once on the Mueller Report and Once over the citizenship question on the 2020 census

George W used it 4 times. Denying disclosure of details regarding Janet Reno and the FBI in misuse of organized crime informants

Once in Congress requesting documents of Dick Cheney's meetings with energy execs

Once blocking a Congressional subpoena to force Harriet Miers to testify in regards to Cheney's meetings with energy execs

Once to reject a subpoena for Karl Rove to testify before the Senate over fired prosecutors

Clinton used it 14 times

George H W Bush never used it but warned he would if needed

Reagan never used it but signed a directive stating if Congress sought info subject to executive privilege he would

Executive privilege didn't exist until Nixon when the Supreme Court ruled that executive privilege and congressional oversight are both consequences of the doctrine of the separation of powers.
Actually I was talking more about taking subpoenas to court to decide if they are lawful before fulfilling them. That's what Trump is doing now and it has been done a lot in the past.
 

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When you talk specifically about Executive Privilege specifically used by a POTUS

Obama used it 1 time. Once to block DOJ documents on Fast and Furious

Trump has used it 2 times. Once on the Mueller Report and Once over the citizenship question on the 2020 census

George W used it 4 times. Denying disclosure of details regarding Janet Reno and the FBI in misuse of organized crime informants

Once in Congress requesting documents of Dick Cheney's meetings with energy execs

Once blocking a Congressional subpoena to force Harriet Miers to testify in regards to Cheney's meetings with energy execs

Once to reject a subpoena for Karl Rove to testify before the Senate over fired prosecutors

Clinton used it 14 times

George H W Bush never used it but warned he would if needed

Reagan never used it but signed a directive stating if Congress sought info subject to executive privilege he would

Executive privilege didn't exist until Nixon when the Supreme Court ruled that executive privilege and congressional oversight are both consequences of the doctrine of the separation of powers.
BTW executive privilege dates back to Washington. During Nixon was the first time the supreme court ruled on it and confirmed it. Here is a little history on it for ya. Thought you may enjoy it.

https://time.com/5605930/executive-privilege-history/
 
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Have you been following this at all. The Obama DOJ did exactly what Nixon did during Watergate and used the Russia BS to cover it up. Listen to the report every step further into the investigation from day 1 further exonerated Trump but they kept digging and spying on an opposition campaign long after they should have stopped. It's the most outlandish abuse of power by a federal law enforcement agency in the history of the country and your not bothered by it. This goes well beyond party lines.
I confess to not following it word for word that was why I was wondering if Horowitz was recommending charges against “the deep state” or maybe working with the DOJ to get the Trump associates out of the pokey.

But I did see where they are still investigating Trump’s buddy Rudy on his contacts w the FBI office for activity associated w Comey announcing they were taking another look at HRC 10 days prior to the election.
 
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I confess to not following it word for word that was why I was wondering if Horowitz was recommending charges against “the deep state” or maybe working with the DOJ to get the Trump associates out of the pokey.

But I did see where they are still investigating Trump’s buddy Rudy on his contacts w the FBI office for activity associated w Comey announcing they were taking another look at HRC 10 days prior to the election.
He did say that he has made referralS. He would not say who. Kline Smith is most assured a day in front of a prosecutor. He also could turn on the others because he changed the email and caught red handed.
 
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Got the wrong Prez and the wrong Sec of State , maybe the right Prince. You are a very bad shot, in the Army we had a name for those who just couldn’t shoot , but that’s better not repeated.
 

Binman4OSU

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BTW executive privilege dates back to Washington. During Nixon was the first time the supreme court ruled on it and confirmed it. Here is a little history on it for ya. Thought you may enjoy it.

https://time.com/5605930/executive-privilege-history/
I dis agree with the author on this one. I don't think what was defined during the Washington period was executive privileged. To me this was the first moment of defining Classified Information. However, I would agree the idea that eventually evolved into exec privilege did grow out of this Thanks for the read!

Washington believed “that the Executive ought to communicate such papers as the public good would permit & ought to refuse those the disclosure of which would injure the public.” Washington also claimed it when Congress requested documents related to the negotiation of the Jay Treaty with England, arguing that “the nature of foreign negotiations requires caution, and their success must often depend on secrecy.”
 
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