How to dethrone Kansas Basketball: A working blueprint

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Mar 27, 2008
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Phase 1: Influence boosters and donors to raise money to build and renovate the KU football stadium.

Phase 2: Hire a new renowned football coach while having extremely low expectations for the program. Any win is considered a huge win while any loss is expected, hey it is Kansas football.

Phase 3: The new found “success” of the football program will slowly dwindle their existing basketball numbers for people now wanting to bask in the glory of winning at football. Less fan base means less crowds. Less crowds means less home court advantage. Games that were once won due to the intimidating nature of Phog-Allen are now sometimes lost. Conference championships are no longer a sure thing. Recruiting takes a hit.

Phase 4: We allow them to build their football program to just above mediocre status while never actually winning anything of significance such as national championships, conference championships, or defeating their rival regularly. We do help them defeat their in-state rival Kansas State in football once every decade to give their fans the illusion of possible future superiority at the sport.

Phase 5: Through influential online media and news outlets, we slowly start to convince their fan base that they are now a “football school”. Causing them to abandon what was once a prestigious top basketball program.
 
May 21, 2007
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Phase 7: This is not meant to be funny but was part of the fall of basketball... have personal addiction get the better of a legendary coach and family.

Phase 8: Hire an AD that doesn't support the head basketball coach and wants nothing more than to burn family's legacy to the ground.

Phase 9: Hire an unproved head coach to replace a legend and give him a ungodly long and unbreakable contract.

Phase 10: Raise ticket prices, raise ticket prices, raise ticket prices
 

ScooberJake

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Crazy talk. I've never seen a once-proud basketball program at a Big XII school out here on the plains fall into disrepair alongside a significant step up in football prowess. Inconceivable!
 
May 21, 2007
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All good points to argue, but the fall of the basketball program was 4 fold.

- Should have never expanded GIA beyond a few thousand seats (6,381 to 13,611 seats was too much).

- Sutton's (both) addiction and downward fall.

- Holder's inexperience during the whole process... I never saw Holder as a good leader and decision maker until the SI article came out but that was when he finally became a man (only 8 years into the job). And Holder would have never been AD had Boone not appointed him.

- The rise of football... (this wasn't the cause but the nail in the coffin)
 

tony6777

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This is what has happened to OSU. Just sayin'. Boone Pickens made his gift. We built up our stadium and our football program. Basketball dwindled but has since not won anything of significance to vault us to above mediocre. We have all but abandoned our once prestigious program. We are trying to revive it to it's once former glory. But... we are a football school now who hasn't won a recent National Championship and we've neglected our basketball program.
 
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This is what has happened to OSU. Just sayin'. Boone Pickens made his gift. We built up our stadium and our football program. Basketball dwindled but has since not won anything of significance to vault us to above mediocre. We have all but abandoned our once prestigious program. We are trying to revive it to it's once former glory. But... we are a football school now who hasn't won a recent National Championship and we've neglected our basketball program.
Context helps.

Basketball had a new arena, football (single biggest revenue producer in an Athletic Dept.) was in terrible need. UT prez told OSU prez Halligan "do something about this stadium, or your place in the league is in question." (paraphrasing, but Halligan's told the story many times.

Basketball also got a huge investment in the locker rooms in the 3rd or 4th year of Ford's tenure, along with a contract that Holder thought would lead to stability & success for years. The contract was obviously a mistake on Holder's part, but I think that he was doing what he thought was best for the BB program at the time.

So, in essence, the guy stepped in when BB already had its' arena built, had a HOF coach & was rolling. Football was on an upswing, but there's no question in the world which program was in need of infrastructure & investment.
 
Sep 23, 2018
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Context helps. Basketball had a new arena, football (single biggest revenue producer in an Athletic Dept.) was in terrible need. UT prez told OSU prez Halligan "do something about this stadium, or your place in the league is in question." (paraphrasing, but Halligan's told the story many times.
Man, I'm glad we've beaten UT the majority since then.