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Deaton's resignation from the Big 12 board is definitely not a good sign if you are hoping MU stays in the Big 12.

We didn't rush the monkey, so the monkey rushed us instead. Now we're stuck.

Actually I do.

Last year, OU said they wanted to keep this conference together.

Before they started talking with Larry Scott of the PAC-12 this year, he said it again.

They never officially applied to leave the Big 12, nor did they apply to the PAC-12.

fftopic:You wouldn't happen to be in the market for a used car would you?:drool:

Only if it doesnt have wheels or an engine!

Having lived in KC for 15 years. I would hate it that the Big12 tourney would never be there again. I watched us win a lot of tourney games in KC back in the day.

Also, losing the great KU-MU rivalry would be tragic. Playing a non-con game is not the same as a conference game.

This all just sucks.

Well if the remaining Big-8 stays, the basketball tourney could permanently move to OKC.

Yeah, and that would be good for OKC. But it is another piece of tradition lost. The Big 8 Tourney was great in KC. And then new sprint center with the power and light area right outside the arena was terrific.

You sure that was egg?

Easy for an ou fan to say when they only school that will be better off than ou is ut. Besides the ou admin wanted out and got rejected so don't blame Missouri for wanting out of this wildly unbalanced conference. If they can get out of this joke of a conference then good for them. Good for a&m too. Best to rid yourself of the most corrupt school in the history of college football and the most power hungry school in the history of college football.

LOL

Boren had his bag packed. If you believe different, then I don't know what to tell you.

OU didn't get rejected. I guarandamntee you that if OU wanted to go alone, the PAC would have jumped at the opportunity.

They didnt want to take OU with OSU without Texas.

I think it is admirable what OU is doing when it comes to wanting OSU to follow them to which ever conference they may be in. I think both schools need each other more than either needs Texas.

That said, don't fool yourself in thinking that it was just OU that got rejected. There is not one conference out there that would not take OU by themselves. I do know one that wont likely take them because they are not an AAU school.

Show proof that Boren has been wanting out? Yes, he has stated more than once that they were exploring options.

He got turned away because he wanted the PAC-12 to take a package deal with OU and OSU.

The PAC-12 was wanting OU with OSU and Texas. And since Texas didnt want to budge on their network, the PAC-12 said no.

Is it a secret that Boren would love to be associated with the Stanfords and Cals? No it isnt.

OU was not going PAC without Texas. PAC doesn't want a PAC 13. OU could go SEC but they wouldn't know what to do in a conference where everyone is as corrupt as they are. Better to have the Big 8 model where you only have one game to worry about a year rather than play in the SEC where they would compete about once a decade.

Pains me, but I think this is true.

Edit: Sorry I meant to quote this part : " I think both schools need each other more than either needs Texas."

I think OU needs Texas (and vice versa) more than you'd like to believe. From my (suprisingly several) OU friends, they all say the only reason they are even apart of the Sooner Club (or whatever it's called) is just to have a shot at getting OU/UT tickets. These same people have told me they'd stop being apart of it if OU/UT were to split. Granted this is a limited population I'm sampling from, but I can imagine there are other OU fans out there in the same camp.

He wasn't just exploring options. All of that crap came out after Scott realized he wasn't going to be able to get the presidents to approve any expansion without UT. Not only because UT is the big prize (because they are), but also because just the PAC 14 didn't make any sense for schools like CU, Utah, Arizona, and Arizona State. Although up until that point Scott sure made Boren (and Hargis) feel like it was a done deal.

Up to that day everyone at OU and OSU thought the schools were going PAC. How do I know this? Because I talked to people personally who would know. Although after a weekend of negotiating with UT, Scott realized he couldn't get anywhere with them. That is when the presidents balked and said it wasn't worth adding just OU and OSU. Everything after that was a smoke screen.

And while I agree in theory that OU could go anywhere on their own (they are a big enough prize), that just isn't the reality. No B1G, under any scenario. No PAC on their own (doesn't make since to go to 13, they would need more, preferably UT). Now I could see them going SEC, and then the SEC picking up a relatively good 16th. So really at this point I think OU's only option on their own is the SEC. Which we know Boren doesn't want. Although at this point if I was a fan of that school I would be pushing him hard to reconsider that option.

Larry Scott wanted Texas and played OU and OSU to create leverage to get Texas. UT didn't flinch and both walked away with more money than they anyone imagined. Boren and OU would have been idiots to go to PAC without UT or OSU, but OU fans don't understand their value nationally. All this mess just really shows that NU, UT, OU, and ATM want nothing to do with a level playing field and will leave if they are disadvantaged. Texas is greedy, yet offered ATM partnership in the TV network. Did I miss the Bedlam TV network invitation or is OU too embarrassed to put their tier III content up against OSU?

FWIW, I still feel that way about us going to the SEC. Texas-ESPN has put the Big 12 schools between a rock and a hard place. I think most alumni of all of the Big 12 schools would prefer to be in a conference together. However, more and more are seeing where Texas-ESPN are headed with the LHN (and it is nowhere near what they had proposed when it was accepted).

OU has no tier 3 network...if they do, I have not seen or heard of it.

So please, show me where they have had the opportunity to invite OSU to the thing?

Also, the only reason Texass invited A&M to the LHN is so they could have even more leverage against the Big 12 saying that it is a two school network...and we both agree to such and such. Hell, they even wanted to keep the name The Longwhorn Network...not something like the LoneStar network or anything like that.

Their invitation was a ploy and nothing more!

Would OU invite OSU? I doubt it. Tier 3 is not shared, so why should any school have to share their network?

I do not fault Texas in wanting their own network and making a killing on said network that no one can watch! What I fault Texas is their unwavering stance to show High School Games, Highlights, and Conference Games.

If there is one person that does not see having high school games and highlights of recruits they are going after or that are committed to them as an advantage then, IMO, you are sadly mistaken.

This would be just like showing the recruit on a Jumbotron at the basketball or football game...only on a much larger scale!