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Do good High School players start having to go the JUCO/FCS/Div II route because Div I teams start holding back 5-7 (of the 25) scholarship spots for portal players? If I was OSU, I would. A Portal player has a better chance of finishing his career at his 2nd school, than a High School player.
 

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Do good High School players start having to go the JUCO/FCS/Div II route because Div I teams start holding back 5-7 (of the 25) scholarship spots for portal players? If I was OSU, I would. A Portal player has a better chance of finishing his career at his 2nd school, than a High School player.
Out of 85 scholarships, how many end up entering the portal? More than 50%, which is what you're saying?
 
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Out of 85 scholarships, how many end up entering the portal? More than 50%, which is what you're saying?
I'm hoping it is closer to 30%.

But it is 45-50%, when you lose 9-10 players per year to the Portal. I think we had 9 leave last year and so far 10 this year (scholarship type players).

Sometimes Portal players are also hurt players, that can't play at the level anymore and would come off the roster anyways. Or grad transfers that were already happening. So I don't know how big of a role that plays.

A Portal player has experience and both the team and player should have a better understanding of how they will fit in, when compared to a High School player. So I would look to give about 20-30% of my scholarships to Portal players.

Use it to hit where you are weak in High School recruiting. OSU supplies QB's and WR's to the Portal and acquires Defensive players

The only thing that may slow down the Portal is if they quit giving immediate eligibility to almost everyone.
 
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I'm hoping it is closer to 30%.

But it is 45-50%, when you lose 9-10 players per year to the Portal. I think we had 9 leave last year and so far 10 this year (scholarship type players).

Sometimes Portal players are also hurt players, that can't play at the level anymore and would come off the roster anyways. Or grad transfers that were already happening. So I don't know how big of a role that plays.

A Portal player has experience and both the team and player should have a better understanding of how they will fit in, when compared to a High School player. So I would look to give about 20-30% of my scholarships to Portal players.

Use it to hit where you are weak in High School recruiting. OSU supplies QB's and WR's to the Portal and acquires Defensive players

The only thing that may slow down the Portal is if they quit giving immediate eligibility to almost everyone.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2019/4/19/18507881/ncaa-transfer-rules-changes-decisions

That's already happening. With Justin Fields & a couple of other high profile immediate transfers, they attempted to rein that in a little bit after seeing how many applied for immediate transfer.

While I agree somewhat with your post about an upperclassman transfer being more ready than a high schooler, I also think that cuts both ways. There are some upperclassmen who will contribute less than their freshman counterparts, ultimately.
 

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Do good High School players start having to go the JUCO/FCS/Div II route because Div I teams start holding back 5-7 (of the 25) scholarship spots for portal players? If I was OSU, I would. A Portal player has a better chance of finishing his career at his 2nd school, than a High School player.
You can only give 25 in a year. Gotta be careful playing that game. The fix for this is to have change in the rules. NCAA members are going to have to do something to stem the tide of transfers. There has to be a consequence for guys transferring.
 
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https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2019/4/19/18507881/ncaa-transfer-rules-changes-decisions

That's already happening. With Justin Fields & a couple of other high profile immediate transfers, they attempted to rein that in a little bit after seeing how many applied for immediate transfer.

While I agree somewhat with your post about an upperclassman transfer being more ready than a high schooler, I also think that cuts both ways. There are some upperclassmen who will contribute less than their freshman counterparts, ultimately.
I agree. Last year, I would have rather developed a young WR, than bring in McCray (19 for 237yds). I was actually disappointed about that Portal move. However I did like the idea of Pettway (ARK -> ISU).

Fortunately we have gotten some youth in the Portal with Antwine and Clay. Still very early into their college development. I would target players with at least two seasons left. Three seasons like Antwine and Clay are a gold mine.

Plug holes with the grad transfer like we already do.

It isn't so much about them being more ready, as being a better commitment and understanding between the university, the player, and their role. HS to College is a big jump.
 
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You can only give 25 in a year. Gotta be careful playing that game. The fix for this is to have change in the rules. NCAA members are going to have to do something to stem the tide of transfers. There has to be a consequence for guys transferring.
I guess I don't follow you here. There already IS a consequence in place.
 
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You can only give 25 in a year. Gotta be careful playing that game. The fix for this is to have change in the rules. NCAA members are going to have to do something to stem the tide of transfers. There has to be a consequence for guys transferring.
Agreed, you could end up with too many people in one class and not be able to back-fill due to the 25 limit.
 
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It depends on what assumptions you make about the overall caliber of talent that ends up in the portal. There are the notable cases like Justin Fields but is that the rule or the exception?

I'm inclined to believe the general level of talent of players seeking transfers from other schools is comparable to the talent level of our players that have decided to transfer out. In most cases, the reason they're transferring is they weren't good enough to be starters at OSU.

If that's the case in general, then it doesn't seem like you can count on recruiting impact players out of the portal on a year-in year-out basis. It's mostly going to be "depth" players like McCray. Not difference makers like Fields.
 
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It depends on what assumptions you make about the overall caliber of talent that ends up in the portal. There are the notable cases like Justin Fields but is that the rule or the exception?

I'm inclined to believe the general level of talent of players seeking transfers from other schools is comparable to the talent level of our players that have decided to transfer out. In most cases, the reason they're transferring is they weren't good enough to be starters at OSU.

If that's the case in general, then it doesn't seem like you can count on recruiting impact players out of the portal on a year-in year-out basis. It's mostly going to be "depth" players like McCray. Not difference makers like Fields.
Very good points & you said it better than my attempt. What you're saying is exactly why I said that I don't really think you can just assume that a transfer (average kid, not a Fields) is a better bet than a HS kid.
 
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Did not do a thorough review, but did notice in my limited observations that a significant portion end up outside of P5 schools with a lot also dropping out of D1.

Wonder if the portal is also used as a proactive escape for a kid who may be about to be released for grades or some other issue.
 

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https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2019/4/19/18507881/ncaa-transfer-rules-changes-decisions

That's already happening. With Justin Fields & a couple of other high profile immediate transfers, they attempted to rein that in a little bit after seeing how many applied for immediate transfer.

While I agree somewhat with your post about an upperclassman transfer being more ready than a high schooler, I also think that cuts both ways. There are some upperclassmen who will contribute less than their freshman counterparts, ultimately.
Upper classmen should be more mature than a freshman, but they've also left somewhere else for a reason. The N="Justin Fields" is pretty doggone small.
 
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I could also see it as driving a bigger wedge between the top 6-8 teams and the rest of Division I. The Portal has bailed out a few top teams at the QB position.
Those high profile QB's going to big programs are going to attract all of the attention, naturally.

When all 3 of the 4 QB's for playoff teams are transfers (this year), it speaks volumes about the value of transfers at certain positions.
 

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I could also see it as driving a bigger wedge between the top 6-8 teams and the rest of Division I. The Portal has bailed out a few top teams at the QB position.
Those high profile QB's going to big programs are going to attract all of the attention, naturally.

When all 3 of the 4 QB's for playoff teams are transfers (this year), it speaks volumes about the value of transfers at certain positions.
The thing about QB's, the playing time available is different than any other position.

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I guess I don't follow you here. There already IS a consequence in place.
Here's what I was trying to say. Let's use the WR from OSU that just entered the portal. He's used his RS year already. So, his penalty will be that wherever he ends up he will lose a year of eligibility unless he moves to a lower division. As I understand it the coaching staff has been "re-recruiting" him now for the better part of a month. If they didn't think he could play, or help in the next two years they would have just said goodbye. The problem is compounded by the hard 25/85 rule AND the grad transfer rule imo.
Something is going to have to change. It's very hard to backfill talent.
 
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I think the Portal is fantastic

It simply allows student athletes the ability to know alternative options to their current situation

However.....
I think ot omly needa to be allowed until signing day on Feb. 5

The reason I say that is, up until that date, coaches have a reasonable ability to fill the scholarship a transfer is leaving behind.

For instance....OSU, I believe, with the Moore transfwr is exactly even at 85 scholarships.

So....if anyone leaves after signing day, those scholarships can't be ffilled through recruting a player that has already signed with a school, which is the vast vast majority of players.

So....in that scenario, schools are being really hung out to dry.
 
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Think back over our OSU football history of all the kids we've had that were either big star duds or transfers. We've had a ton of them that didn't pan out.
Now, how many did do better at other programs?
I honestly can't think of many that went on to do great things elsewhere.

Let me know of those that disprove this (so I don't have to do the research).