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What is your rating of the trump administration’s current performance

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    Votes: 7 17.1%
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    Votes: 8 19.5%
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    Votes: 3 7.3%
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    Votes: 1 2.4%
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    Votes: 2 4.9%
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    Votes: 8 19.5%
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    Votes: 3 7.3%
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    Votes: 4 9.8%
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    Votes: 1 2.4%
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    Votes: 4 9.8%

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Before Covid i was sure that Trump was headed for a huge victory, but now looks like he is headed for a historic defeat against a weak opponent. That got me interested in how people are feeling about this administration. I especially want to know how you felt before covid and after covid, because that is where it seems to have all gone wrong. Please no whataboutism. I’ll go first.
Pre covid 5/10, the signature policy was the tax reform which in my opinion is a huge failure, and I disagreed with the killing of soleimani, other than that he was pretty average, i agreed with some things, I disagreed with others.
Post Covid 2/10, Trump had a chance to unite the country against a common enemy but has taken almost every wrong position, we needed a leader in this moment and all we have right now is a trash talker.

I tried to be honest and fair, and I hope this thread will be more about sounding off what you think rather than trying to prove my opinions wrong, but please know I am coming from a place of honest curiosity.
 

cowboyinexile

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2/10 and that's being generous. History tends to view Presidents on how they handle crises and we are talking about a James Buchanon level of failure here. This is a historically bad President who will at best be remembered as our Neville Chamberlin.
 

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As someone who can’t stand politics and politicians I give a 7 for the simple humbling of over arrogant left msm, celebrities, and elites. It’s something I will always cherish. Just as delicious as when Obama won his first presidency and the over arrogant right was humbled. The only difference was in reaction to the loss.
 
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Single handedly solved the North Korea crisis.

Strengthened the military.

Defeated ISIS.

Created the strongest economy in history with job creation for all races.

Saved millions of lives with COVID response compared to initial estimates.

All while dealing with constant opposition from major media outlets and absolutely no cooperation from the other party.

The guy is a douche but he could cure cancer and half the country would riot because oncologists will be out of work.
 

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He tried to open up North Korea, it didn't work, but I believe in trying.
He talked a big game about restoring US manufacturing, but I see zero net gain.
He talked a big game about being less proactive militarily, but we're still in Iraq, Afghanistan and everywhere in between

If he would have done the things he said he would do, I would be impressed.

He did keep the economy going that has been going well since 2010 until he worried about the economy so much he would be hurt at the ballot box; so he kneecapped his own team's approach (holding rallies, encouraging "liberation" of states, blameshifting China, downplaying it initially). The stimulus would have worked if people kept their ass at home, but he couldn't keep himself from interrupting.

He talks in divisive tones and has limited intelligence and a supreme lack of confidence. I don't think he is a necessarily a bad guy, but his fragile ego makes for some asinine reactionary decisions. He definitely has severe impulse control issues.

Great for a reality TV show. A cluster F for a statesman.
 
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Rating overall of last 4 years or current Covid handling? As a conservative, there’s been a number of positives over the term from this admin. Covid has been a debacle, but not sure there is a right response or answer to all this. We’ve seen the liberal governed areas with disastrous results as well.
 

cowboyinexile

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Rating overall of last 4 years or current Covid handling? As a conservative, there’s been a number of positives over the term from this admin. Covid has been a debacle, but not sure there is a right response or answer to all this. We’ve seen the liberal governed areas with disastrous results as well.
It's a tough call. If we have any other major candidate from 2016 as President now, there would have been a far more even federal response. You would have seen more coordination with state governments instead of a leader who said the states are on their own and then undercutting them.

Instead we have someone who never figured out what a President is supposed to do and seems to now be ignoring what will be the defining moment of his legacy.

The catch is the other person would have been Hillary. I don't want to think about the conservative outrage if she pushed measures similar to other developed nations that in hindsight worked. Plus, if George Floyd still happens in the middle of this, who knows how out of hand things get.
 
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It's a tough call. If we have any other major candidate from 2016 as President now, there would have been a far more even federal response. You would have seen more coordination with state governments instead of a leader who said the states are on their own and then undercutting them.

Instead we have someone who never figured out what a President is supposed to do and seems to now be ignoring what will be the defining moment of his legacy.

The catch is the other person would have been Hillary. I don't want to think about the conservative outrage if she pushed measures similar to other developed nations that in hindsight worked. Plus, if George Floyd still happens in the middle of this, who knows how out of hand things get.
It’s hard to say if it would be any different or better. There were several governors complimenting the federal response and coordination, including Newsom and Cuomo, especially regarding ventilators, PPE, and military medical aid. Pence and the Task Force seemed to receive most of that. Obviously we all could have done without Trump patting himself on the back so much, but hey, Cuomo was doing the same. Now election year has set in so everyone is going to bash everyone. The thought of Hilary or any of the liberals managing the economy through this makes me cringe. We might still be locked in our house with major corporations bankrupting daily.
 
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I’ve often wondered what any other person as president would have done to make a better outcome. Lets say Fauci was president does anybody really believe we would be in a better position? The WHO came out today and said there are 860,000 Globa new cases? I think that’s correct.
 

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I’ve often wondered what any other person as president would have done to make a better outcome. Lets say Fauci was president does anybody really believe we would be in a better position? The WHO came out today and said there are 860,000 Globa new cases? I think that’s correct.
Yes. Literally anyone is President and we are in a better position. The exception may be Hillary and not because of her competency for the job. I think had she been President, the hate from the right would have been worse than the hate Trump gets from the left. To be fair that wasn't totally undeserved but this needed strong federal leadership and that wasn't what we got. It could have been worse-Trump was more effective in dealing with this than Bolsonaro, but for a leader of a developed country, much less us, that's a really low bar to set. I mentioned it earlier but I could see the right rejecting anything she said on principle and going batspit when the left started rioting. That's assuming she did nothing in 4 years to try and bridge the partisan gap and I think she would have tried but as much as she was painted as a liberal boogeyman I don't know that she was capable.

Take her out of the mix and use the 20 or so major party candidates for the office since 2016 and yeah we'd be better off right now. The only ones that weren't going to muster any real cross party support are Cruz and Sanders and both are smart enough to see this as something bigger than partisan bickering.
 

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The exception may be Hillary and not because of her competency for the job. I think had she been President, the hate from the right would have been worse than the hate Trump gets from the left.
That would not be possible.

That's assuming she did nothing in 4 years to try and bridge the partisan gap and I think she would have tried but as much as she was painted as a liberal boogeyman I don't know that she was capable.
I see no evidence whatsoever that she would be willing or able to bridge the partisan gap, and attempting to do so would be anathema to the identity politics at the core of much of Democrat and the whole of Progressive rhetoric and campaigning. The right engages in its share of a relatively less damning form of identity politics but its ability to enforce that through media is comparatively quite limited.

I have difficulty seeing how either party bridges the partisan gap in more than sporadic fashion for as long as any of us are alive.
 
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Yes. Literally anyone is President and we are in a better position. The exception may be Hillary and not because of her competency for the job. I think had she been President, the hate from the right would have been worse than the hate Trump gets from the left. To be fair that wasn't totally undeserved but this needed strong federal leadership and that wasn't what we got. It could have been worse-Trump was more effective in dealing with this than Bolsonaro, but for a leader of a developed country, much less us, that's a really low bar to set. I mentioned it earlier but I could see the right rejecting anything she said on principle and going batspit when the left started rioting. That's assuming she did nothing in 4 years to try and bridge the partisan gap and I think she would have tried but as much as she was painted as a liberal boogeyman I don't know that she was capable.

Take her out of the mix and use the 20 or so major party candidates for the office since 2016 and yeah we'd be better off right now. The only ones that weren't going to muster any real cross party support are Cruz and Sanders and both are smart enough to see this as something bigger than partisan bickering.
Hillary wouldn’t have gotten anywhere near the hate that Trump gets. Even setting aside the fact that 90% of media, entertainment, and social media is in the bag for the left, Hillary was expected to win and people would have been prepared for it. A big reason for the Trump hate was the fact that we were told over and over again he had no chance. When he won people just couldn’t deal with it. And still can’t really.
 

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Hillary wouldn’t have gotten anywhere near the hate that Trump gets. Even setting aside the fact that 90% of media, entertainment, and social media is in the bag for the left, Hillary was expected to win and people would have been prepared for it. A big reason for the Trump hate was the fact that we were told over and over again he had no chance. When he won people just couldn’t deal with it. And still can’t really.
Hillary was hated by the right ever since Bill was in office. Back in the day I remember bumper stickers that said Impeach the President and her husband too. Her biggest fault 30 years ago was trying to be another Eleanor Roosevelt and making the First Lady into something more. The last election was less about Trump being an outsider (although that really helped) and more about the right taking down someone the rank and file were told for decades was evil.

If she won 4 years ago it would have been all about stopping her "communist" agenda and making her a one term President. Nevermind the fact that in 2008 and 2016 she was the more moderate Democrat candidate. You see that stuff now, Biden is either someone who is both a secret racist or a crazy socialist. It's all about the narrative and thats politics now I guess.

So yeah, she obviously gets more cover from CNN and media like that, but Fox would have been on her ass if she sneezed wrong and in the middle of this who knows what they would say when she tried to tell everyone back in March that this is going to suck but we gotta do it.
 

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Pre covid 5/10, the signature policy was the tax reform which in my opinion is a huge failure, and I disagreed with the killing of soleimani, other than that he was pretty average, i agreed with some things, I disagreed with others. Post Covid 2/10
This is what I find so fascinating. I've seen a lot of people talk about how badly they thing Trump has handled the pandemic, whereas I see his handling of it as one of his best accomplishments as president The comforting thing about that is that we the people have always been able to look at a situation and have completely different views on how a politician has handled it based on our biases...so maybe this isn't the end of days, just regular old US politics.

I voted 5/10 overall. Probably would have voted him higher if he could control his damn mouth/twitter. I've said it over and over that I do not like him as a person but I have approved of several things he has done....again culminating with how he has handled covid.
 

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Appointing Gorsuch to the SCOTUS is the only thing preventing a 1 rating.

He has been incredibly damaging to the country on so many levels, in particular, he has moved the right toward a populist authoritarian position while being incredibly divisive. Because of the latter, he has fuelled the far left and given their authoritarians more power and influence. If he gets another 4 years, the country may not recover.

I don't think we will see anyone so bereft of leadership capabilities in our lifetime. If we do, it will likely be the end of the US as we know it.

In regard to COVID handling, I already had a very low opinion of him going into it, so it was hard to go lower. I think a real crisis showed how inept he was at leading to others, which is why his popularity is tanking.

I mean, he singlehandedly made wearing a mask a political issue instead of a health issue, that is a special level of ineptitude.
 
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Yes. Literally anyone is President and we are in a better position. The exception may be Hillary and not because of her competency for the job. I think had she been President, the hate from the right would have been worse than the hate Trump gets from the left. To be fair that wasn't totally undeserved but this needed strong federal leadership and that wasn't what we got. It could have been worse-Trump was more effective in dealing with this than Bolsonaro, but for a leader of a developed country, much less us, that's a really low bar to set. I mentioned it earlier but I could see the right rejecting anything she said on principle and going batspit when the left started rioting. That's assuming she did nothing in 4 years to try and bridge the partisan gap and I think she would have tried but as much as she was painted as a liberal boogeyman I don't know that she was capable.

Take her out of the mix and use the 20 or so major party candidates for the office since 2016 and yeah we'd be better off right now. The only ones that weren't going to muster any real cross party support are Cruz and Sanders and both are smart enough to see this as something bigger than partisan bickering.
Nice job dodging the question. What do you think any of those 20 other people would have done differently that would put us in a better position by now? Keep in mind everything Trump was saying at the time about it’s no worse than flu is the same exact stuff Fauci was on tv spouting at the time.