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Jostate

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I'll probably regret starting this thread, but we haven't had a good global warming slap fight in a while.

I never know what to believe, and it's almost impossible to google climate change science without finding myself in another partisan site with an agenda. Something hit me about the rising tides foretold by so many. I know these things take time but it has been 15 years since Al Gore made some of his famous talks of rising tides and various scary changes.

Here is 1, very unscientific, observation I made with a minute of googling:

Star Island Florida1920:

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Star Island Florida 2020:
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Okay this island is clearly about 8 feet above sea level at it's highest point. If the sea level had risen much at all over the last 100 years wouldn't it be apparent on this island and the coastline in the background?

Is this an oversimplification? Am I off base here?
 
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I'll give 'em credit, the alarmists made a wise move when they went from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change."

"Climate Change" is such an easy catch-all that I hear every single time there's ANY weather-related event. It's as though floods, fires & such never happened until recently & now they're all specifically tied to "Climate Change" & don't even question it.

One of my coworkers is a wonderful lady & I really enjoy working with her, despite the fact we're generally in disagreement on most political issues. She's a Chicago Dem to the core, who oddly enough, is in favor of forced sterilization (yeah, figure that one out).

So we're talking about the environment, etc... the other day & she acutally says "you'd think someone would be working on carbon capture, renewable energy..." I'm not often surprised by her level of naivete, but I couldn't believe it. She actually thinks that it's just a matter of someone trying, then these complex issues will be solved.
 
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Jostate

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We do appear to be in a warming trend. Those who attack the data sound partisan to me. Although trends can be a funny thing. People often ask "what is the stock market doing?" Or comment that "the market is going up / down." What they really mean is recent history, the market has been going in a direction. To attribute past tense to current tense is similar to saying a roulette wheel is landing on all reds because it hit red the last 4 times in a row.
Time will tell, but it has been long enough to start to expose some of the alarmist rhetoric. It looks to me like whatever is happening is less dire than many anticipated, much like the pending ice age I learned of in 3rd grade, or the killer bees, or running out of oil by the year 2000. The alarmists may still be proven correct, but the more extreme predictions are already looking to be false.

As with many news items these days, we have to discern more news from more events.
 

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I enjoy discussing this topic. The real climate change message is lost in several mainstream extremist positions. These range from “climate change is a hoax and is being used as a vehicle for socialist policies” to “we have 12 years left to act or civilization is doomed.”
Not to say skeptics don’t have a point. The Green New Deal is an example. People on both sides use climate change, as they do any issue, as a political tool to push agendas. But that doesn’t mean climate change isn’t real. The other side does it too.
My opinion, human activity has been at least partially responsible for the rate of warming. It will be good for some parts of the earth and worse for others. We need to limit our impact and there are ways to do that without sacrificing economic growth. As industrial societies evolve, they get better at doing that, so allowing developing nations to burn coal and grow their economies in the short term could be better for the long term.
https://twitter.com/ryanmaue/status/1227452187887984641?s=21
 

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I don't like the over simplification of "fossil fuels". Air quality has improved in parts of the US as oil use replaces coal, and natural gas is relatively clean burning.
 

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Seven years left unless all cattle farts can be eliminated, the very best Damocrat scientists are working 24\7 on a solution, not to worry.
At the same time, my roommate from college produces more gas than several cows by himself, so he is still out there contributing to the problem.
 
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Jostate if the Damocrats should get control it will be your duty to turn in your former roommate for the good of humanity, it’s just the right thing to do, you may receive the Dr. Ulrich Klopfer award.
 
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I'll probably regret starting this thread, but we haven't had a good global warming slap fight in a while.

I never know what to believe, and it's almost impossible to google climate change science without finding myself in another partisan site with an agenda. Something hit me about the rising tides foretold by so many. I know these things take time but it has been 15 years since Al Gore made some of his famous talks of rising tides and various scary changes.

Here is 1, very unscientific, observation I made with a minute of googling:

Star Island Florida1920:

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Star Island Florida 2020:
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Okay this island is clearly about 8 feet above sea level at it's highest point. If the sea level had risen much at all over the last 100 years wouldn't it be apparent on this island and the coastline in the background?

Is this an oversimplification? Am I off base here?
I find NOAA data to be the most compelling. Indicates rising seas, but on as scale that is nowhere near the apocalypse being threatened.
 

Jostate

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Jostate if the Damocrats should get control it will be your duty to turn in your former roommate for the good of humanity, it’s just the right thing to do, you may receive the Dr. Ulrich Klopfer award.
Best reason I've ever heard to vote Democrat.
 

Jostate

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That site might provide some accurate and valuable information, but if the goal is to find a site free of idealogical agenda, it doesn't pass the smell test.

I did like the article about the college Professor who believes the orchestrated extinction of the human race is the best path to saving the planet.
 

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That site might provide some accurate and valuable information, but if the goal is to find a site free of idealogical agenda, it doesn't pass the smell test.

I did like the article about the college Professor who believes the orchestrated extinction of the human race is the best path to saving the planet.
It passes every test except the ‘eye’ test

Go past the headlines, read the articles and studies they link to, aae
https://www.thegwpf.com/arctic-sea-ice-much-more-resilient-than-thought/
 

Jostate

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So this brings me full circle. A couple of contradicting sites with experts who sound credible. I'm not sure who to believe, but I've still got 2 pics of the same island 100 years apart that show the same water level.

I'll check back in on Star Island about the time we play Nebraska in football again.
 
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There was a segment on 60 Minutes this evening about the Australian fires and climate change. Of course it was 60 Minutes so there was no bias in the reporting.:whistle:
 

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There was a segment on 60 Minutes this evening about the Australian fires and climate change. Of course it was 60 Minutes so there was no bias in the reporting.:whistle:
There was an anchor on CNN who asked Bill Nye if a comet coming through the solar system was due to global warming. Not kidding.

Everything gets tied to climate change. Could be true, maybe not. I really don't know what to believe.