Whistleblowers and the Real Deep State

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Whistleblowers and the Real Deep State

Kimberley A Strassel, WSJ, Oct.11, 2019

House Democrats are plowing ahead with an impeachment effort inspired by accusations from an anonymous “whistleblower.” The lawmakers may allow the witness to testify anonymously, sources who themselves remained anonymous told the Washington Post this week. It’s as if the whole effort is designed to confirm President Trump’s complaint that the “deep state” is determined to sabotage his presidency…

The “deep state”—if we are to use the term—is better defined as consisting of career civil servants, who have growing power in the administrative state but work in the shadows. As government grows, so do the challenges of supervising a bureaucracy swelling in both size and power. Emboldened by employment rules that make it all but impossible to fire career employees, this internal civil “resistance” has proved willing to take ever more outrageous actions against the president and his policies, using the tools of both traditional and social media.

Government-employed resisters received a call to action within weeks of the new administration. Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates became acting attorney general on Mr. Trump’s inauguration and Loretta Lynch’s resignation. A week later, the president signed an executive order restricting travel from seven Middle Eastern and African countries. Ms. Yates instructed Justice Department lawyers not to defend the order in court on the grounds that she was not convinced it was “consistent” with the department’s “responsibilities” or even “lawful.” She decreed: “For as long as I am Acting Attorney General, the Department of Justice will not present arguments in defense of the Executive Order.”

Mr. Trump fired her that day, but he shouldn’t have had to. Her obligation was to defend the executive order, or to resign if she felt she couldn’t. Nobody elected Sally Yates.

The Yates memo was the first official act of the internal resistance—not only a precedent but a rallying cry. Subordinates fawningly praised her in emails obtained by Judicial Watch. “You are my new hero,” wrote one federal prosecutor. Another department colleague emailed: “Thank you AG Yates. I’ve been in civil/appellate for 30 years and have never seen an administration with such contempt for democratic values and the rule of law.” Andrew Weissmann—a career department lawyer, then head of the Criminal Fraud Division and later on the staff of special counsel Robert Mueller—wrote: “I am so proud. And in awe. Thank you so much.” Ms. Yates set an example to rebels throughout the government: If she can defy the president, why can’t I?

That mentality fed the stream of leaks that has flowed ever since. The office of Sen. Ron Johnson, chairman of the Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee, made a study of Mr. Trump’s first 18 weeks in office. It found the administration had “faced 125 leaked stories—one leak a day—containing information that is potentially damaging to national security under the standards laid out in a 2009 Executive Order signed by President Barack Obama. ” Nearly 80% focused on the Russia probe, and many revealed “closely-held information such as intelligence community intercepts, FBI interviews and intelligence, grand jury subpoenas, and even the workings of a secret surveillance court.” Unauthorized disclosure of classified information is a felony….

These details come from a Jan. 31, 2017, Washington Post story, which reported that “180 federal employees have signed up for a workshop next weekend, where experts will offer advice on workers’ rights and how they can express civil disobedience.” The report added that some federal employees were in “regular consultation with recently departed Obama-era political appointees” about how to oppose the administration, while others were planning to “slow” their work if asked to focus on anything other than their policy “mission” as they understood it.
 

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Deep state my a-s. These are just dedicated employees who have worked for the American people through Democratic and Republican administrations their whole careers. I’m sure there are a few partisans in such a huge group, however the vast majority are just working diligently for us. Whistle blowers and leaks occur, IMO, when they witness actions and orders that are OUTSIDE the norm and raise internal red flags. When one of these dedicated American servants steps up to reveal outrageous behavior they should be viewed as PATRIOTS and not demonized by us or the media.
 
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Deep state my a-s. These are just dedicated employees who have worked for the American people through Democratic and Republican administrations their whole careers. I’m sure there are a few partisans in such a huge group, however the vast majority are just working diligently for us. Whistle blowers and leaks occur, IMO, when they witness actions and orders that are OUTSIDE the norm and raise internal red flags. When one of these dedicated American servants steps up to reveal outrageous behavior they should be viewed as PATRIOTS and not demonized by us or the media.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/dan...p-state-but-he-says-members-are-the-good-guys
 

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Donald Trumps “the unlikely American hero” election has exposed the corrupt Deepstate FBI, CIA, DOJ, media,educational elite, and the richest of the rich. The anti free speech and anti free thought bunch will stop at nothing, they love endless wars, human perversion, they hate the Bible and Jesus of the Bible. C O N T R O L, is their motto C O N T R O L.
 

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Donald Trumps “the unlikely American hero” election has exposed the corrupt Deepstate FBI, CIA, DOJ, media,educational elite, and the richest of the rich. The anti free speech and anti free thought bunch will stop at nothing, they love endless wars, human perversion, they hate the Bible and Jesus of the Bible. C O N T R O L, is their motto C O N T R O L.
LOL, you need to quit taking Alex Jones and his Infowars seriously.
 

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Donald Trumps “the unlikely American hero” election has exposed the corrupt Deepstate FBI, CIA, DOJ, media,educational elite, and the richest of the rich. The anti free speech and anti free thought bunch will stop at nothing, they love endless wars, human perversion, they hate the Bible and Jesus of the Bible. C O N T R O L, is their motto C O N T R O L.
Oh brother! If Christ in the flesh were running for any political office the radical right would call him a libtard socialist. Read the sermon on the mount again for the first time.
 

oks10

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Oh brother! If Christ in the flesh were running for any political office the radical right would call him a libtard socialist. Read the sermon on the mount again for the first time.
No, he'd probably be called the anti-christ...
 

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Oh brother! If Christ in the flesh were running for any political office the radical right would call him a libtard socialist. Read the sermon on the mount again for the first time.
I read it. I couldn’t find anything about wanting the Federal government to take care of all wants and needs. It was about how an individual should conduct himself. That’s inline with the Libertarian and conservative mindset.

That’s whole argument really. The left wants the Federal govt to “take care” of everybody and the right wants people to take care of themselves and individuals to take care of their fellow man thru individual service, charities, sacrifice and encouragement. Virtually everyone wants the downtrodden to be helped but the right feels that it’s best handled by individuals thru churches and charities.
 

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No, he'd probably be called the anti-christ...
Lying signs and wonders, HE would not be doing that. That’s the trap of the gullible and easily deceived. When? When wrong is viewed as right and truth is viewed as a lie. Never thought I’d see these signs, or anything like them in my lifetime.
 

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I read it. I couldn’t find anything about wanting the Federal government to take care of all wants and needs. It was about how an individual should conduct himself. That’s inline with the Libertarian and conservative mindset.

That’s whole argument really. The left wants the Federal govt to “take care” of everybody and the right wants people to take care of themselves and individuals to take care of their fellow man thru individual service, charities, sacrifice and encouragement. Virtually everyone wants the downtrodden to be helped but the right feels that it’s best handled by individuals thru churches and charities.
@Patron indicated that persons who don’t belong to a particular party or think just like him “ hate the Bible and Jesus of the Bible”. That’s a pretty twisted. One party may claim their superiority, but judge them by their fruits. Party selection has a lot to do with compromise as no party can fulfill all needs. We base our selection on the one that most closely follows our beliefs. The cynical claim their selection is just the lessor of two evils.
IMHO one party talks about and strives to help people, the other one talks about money. Neither party is the personification of the individual member. But don’t assume that there aren’t tons of believers and followers of Christ in the Democratic Party. I know hundreds in my tiny circle of influence. Pharisees and hypocrites abound, and I don’t want to be judged as either. But don’t pretend to know the hearts and minds of all men. For the same judgement we give we shall receive.
By the way, if those charities and churches are getting the job done completely, why all the commercials begging for donations? If we’re all so generous in our giving why?
 
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@Patron indicated that persons who don’t belong to a particular party or think just like him “ hate the Bible and Jesus of the Bible”. That’s a pretty twisted. One party may claim their superiority, but judge them by their fruits. Party selection has a lot to do with compromise as no party can fulfill all needs. We base our selection on the one that most closely follows our beliefs. The cynical claim their selection is just the lessor of two evils.
IMHO one party talks about and strives to help people, the other one talks about money. Neither party is the personification of the individual member. But don’t assume that there aren’t tons of believers and followers of Christ in the Democratic Party. I know hundreds in my tiny circle of influence. Pharisees and hypocrites abound, and I don’t want to be judged as either. But don’t pretend to know the hearts and minds of all men. For the same judgement we give we shall receive.
By the way, if those charities and churches are getting the job done completely, why all the commercials begging for donations? If we’re all so generous in our giving why?[/QUOTE]

Where was this claimed? Because it's not in this thread.
 

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By the way, if those charities and churches are getting the job done completely, why all the commercials begging for donations? If we’re all so generous in our giving why?
Because a fool and his money are soon parted.

Who? Like the Red Cross?

Worst smurfing place you could EVER donate money to. I'm sure there are other non-profits out there just as poorly run. So yeah, ignore the charities clamoring for money on TV commercials... give locally.

My donations go to my church, my church's national charitable organization (and I even get to tell them where to spend the money), and local non-profits like Edmond HOPE Center.

Only morons send money to the snake-charmers on TV.
 

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And only morons vote for an obvious liar and charlatan. And politicians who put party and re election above country and the Constitution should be voted out of office.
 

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And only morons vote for an obvious liar and charlatan. And politicians who put party and re election above country and the Constitution should be voted out of office.
You just implicated... well everyone. The entire voting and political populace of the USA. :laugh:
 

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@Patron indicated that persons who don’t belong to a particular party or think just like him “ hate the Bible and Jesus of the Bible”. That’s a pretty twisted. One party may claim their superiority, but judge them by their fruits. Party selection has a lot to do with compromise as no party can fulfill all needs. We base our selection on the one that most closely follows our beliefs. The cynical claim their selection is just the lessor of two evils.
IMHO one party talks about and strives to help people, the other one talks about money. Neither party is the personification of the individual member. But don’t assume that there aren’t tons of believers and followers of Christ in the Democratic Party. I know hundreds in my tiny circle of influence. Pharisees and hypocrites abound, and I don’t want to be judged as either. But don’t pretend to know the hearts and minds of all men. For the same judgement we give we shall receive.
By the way, if those charities and churches are getting the job done completely, why all the commercials begging for donations? If we’re all so generous in our giving why?
Because the Federal Government is taking that money from people before they can donate it. I firmly believe charitable giving would go up if the government didn’t confiscate the money first.