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It may have no relevance to you, it does to me. Calling a POW who was a hero "not a hero" insults all of us that served. The training for that was bad enough. I cannot imagine the hell he went through for this nation to have silver spoon insult his service.

As Americans, we need leadership. Not just someone who acts like a high schooler and that is ok because some policy seems OK. It has nothing to do with being his friend. It has to do with disgracing the nation that I proudly served.

You tell me that I need to deal with my personal ill feelings toward Trump. That isn't true. Trump needs to stop doing things that damage us. I never had ill feelings toward him until he did these things. A president making fun of a war hero damages us. A president making fun of the handicapped damages us. A president talking about women's menstrual bleeding damages us. A president (possibly) calling war dead "suckers" damages us. He has been saying horrible things that no prior president would disgrace us with the whole time. Quit trying to cover him by spreading blame for his bad actions to the media, dems, antifa, mexicans, a dead soldier's Muslim mom, porn stars or whomever the excuse of the month is.

We are better than this. We need to be better than this. "Policy" isn't worth this. I would be absolutely the same way if Trump had stayed a democrat or if this horrible stuff was said by Obama, Bush, or Clinton. Some of us have principles.
Again not going to defend the McCain stuff, but that has no relevance when it comes to the entire military. Their have been plenty of military folks come to Trumps defense so clearly don’t share your ill feelings. Much of what you listed is media created controversies and embellishments. Turn off CNN.
Sure, from a moral perspective, personally I’d much rather have Mike Pence. He probably wins that category hands down, but we don’t have that option. I’ve got news for you, there is a lot of sleeze in DC, they just know to put on a front for the cameras, but that is politicians for you. For that matter, there are a lot who have names on buildings, schools, streets whose moral behavior was appalling.
 
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So regardless of the situation he attacked the parent of a man that died serving our country.

Is that something Regan would have done?
Reagan? Nope, not at all. Can’t think of any other President that would do that. Trump can’t help himself to attack anyone who publicly disagrees with him. Wasn’t defending him.
Just pointing out, in the case you brought up, he didn’t show disdain for a fallen hero, as you suggested, in fact, I believe he praised the son.
 

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Reagan? Nope, not at all. Can’t think of any other President that would do that. Trump can’t help himself to attack anyone who publicly disagrees with him. Wasn’t defending him.
Just pointing out, in the case you brought up, he didn’t show disdain for a fallen hero, as you suggested, in fact, I believe he praised the son.
You weren't defending him but you seem to be ok with it.

Again is it alright for a President to crap on veterans and their families because it's politically convenient?
 
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You weren't defending him but you seem to be ok with it.

Again is it alright for a President to crap on veterans and their families because it's politically convenient?
I’ll be honest, I don’t remember what the dad said about Trump. I, along with most people, was surprised that Trump would attack parents of a fallen soldier. I don’t think it is at all politically convenient. In fact, I would say it is completely opposite.
 

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That’s an interesting take. So, the media is nearly 100% responsible for our current state. We can let politicians, social media platforms, and foreign meddlers off the hook?


Where did I absolve the media? I’m responding to Rack who said the media is nearly 100% at fault. I also stated the cable news talk shows, commentators, and editorials are an issue. My point is we can’t demonize the media like it’s a monolithic enemy while letting the politicians, social media platforms, and foreign meddlers off the hook. Trump would love that, which is why he uses it as a way to deflect from any criticism he receives. Keep buying what he’s selling and we’ll just hand him our right to free press and thank him for disposing of it.
I'm not absolving social media and/or President Trump either. I don't believe foreign meddlers have much real influence. All play a part in it. The point I'm trying to make is that the media is heavily biased to the left overall and their power base wants unrest when Republicans are in office or to prevent them from winning additional elections. It is what it is. Trump isn't helpful with his twitter rantings and unfiltered approach to things. He's also vindictive against people who oppose him in just about any way. But, to me, he's, once again, the FAR lessor of two bad choices. His party is by FAR the better choice and actually has a number of very good people in it.

Trumps entire thought world is open for all to see...this makes for some interesting contradictions that happen in public. Do I think this is a good thing for a leader? Not really, mostly because he becomes very misunderstood. I understand this however because I'm kind of an open book as well. Open books tend to eat more shoe leather than do more reserved speakers. Trump has a problem with being too open with his thoughts...Kind of like me and Coach Gundy. But this overt openness doesn't mean that he can't change his mind or do better in practice than in word. In fact he does.
 
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Like Romney and, at one time, McCain?
Unfortunately neither was enough of a fighter in the political sense to win and keep the Presidency. The reason Trump won in 2016 was a combination of Hillary being awful and Trump having some populace ideas that go against the "new world order" crap of the old guard GOP. This is the best thing about him...the "new world order" has always been bad for America. I voted for Dr. Carson in the primary (love that man), but guys like Dr. Carson and me get chewed up and spit out by the left because we would rather make peace than fight for what is right. Trump is the POTUS because he uses their own tactics against them and it makes them crazy with TDS. This is the ONLY reason it's not someone wholesome in the party that is POTUS. This is the very sad political fact of the GOP vs the media world that we have lived in for decades. I'd 100x rather have Pence as POTUS, but he wouldn't win...he's too nice and too noble. SAD stuff, but truth.
 

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Unfortunately neither was enough of a fighter in the political sense to win and keep the Presidency. The reason Trump won in 2016 was a combination of Hillary being awful and Trump having some populace ideas that go against the "new world order" crap of the old guard GOP. This is the best thing about him...the "new world order" has always been bad for America. I voted for Dr. Carson in the primary (love that man), but guys like Dr. Carson and me get chewed up and spit out by the left because we would rather make peace than fight for what is right. Trump is the POTUS because he uses their own tactics against them and it makes them crazy with TDS. This is the ONLY reason it's not someone wholesome in the party that is POTUS. This is the very sad political fact of the GOP vs the media world that we have lived in for decades. I'd 100x rather have Pence as POTUS, but he wouldn't win...he's too nice and too noble. SAD stuff, but truth.
My real point is that they are examples of quality GOPs. Also have both been highly disrespected by Trump. He is the antithesis of them. That’s why they couldn’t accept him and why he despises Romney and the memory of McCain. He really has no decency. He’s no leader. He’s a power hungry bully with no morals.
 

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My real point is that they are examples of quality GOPs. Also have both been highly disrespected by Trump. He is the antithesis of them. That’s why they couldn’t accept him and why he despises Romney and the memory of McCain. He really has no decency. He’s no leader. He’s a power hungry bully with no morals.
@TheMonkey, we are just going to have to disagree on some of that. One of my favorite GOP members is Senator Rand Paul, and he's squarely in his camp. He's a freedom guy and cares about the country. I also love Oklahoma Senator James Lankford, he's a Trump guy as well and the VP Mike Pence is a wonderful person and would be a great POTUS should something happen...the problem is that the other side is worse and their policies are bunk for the nation, so despite my misgivings about President Trump I know he's only going to be POTUS four more years and then hopefully the GOP will find their Reagan again...that's indeed what we need on my side of the fence.

Btw, the reason I think he will be re-elected is ironically because he's attacked so hard by the left and that he bothers them so so much. TDS is their own worst enemy.
 

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Again, nothing here but an “anonymous source” statements. Why do you choose to believe them but not the 12 others that have gone on the record to dispute. I assume it is because you want to believe it because it fits your narrative.
Because it fits perfectly with the insults he lobbed at a POW in the past.

My narrative is again, going and trying to stop people from dying and not always winning that battle. To see this person who avoided serving with "bone spurs" insulting those same troops the way he does is beyond disgusting to me. Just like if there was a search function you would see that I talked in the past how disgusting it was for the Commander in Chief to take advantage of an intern while serving in that role (Clinton). When service members are chastised for similar and MST is a huge problem, we need leaders to lead not be pathetic, petty human beings.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/10-w...report-on-trump-denigrating-troops-is-a-lie-2

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https://twitter.com/bombshelldaily/status/1302847100535869440?s=21

"We all have to use anonymous sources, especially in a climate where the president of the United States tries to actively intimidate," Goldberg said of his editorial decision to cite nameless people. "These are not people who are anonymous to me."

Carl Bernstein, the investigate reporter known for breaking the Watergate story that took down President Richard Nixon, told Stelter on Reliable Sources Sunday that anonymous sourcing is often a crucial tool for reporters.

"Almost all 200 of our stories about Watergate were based on anonymous sourcing," he said. Bernstein added that during the Trump era, "reporting is almost uniformly based on anonymous sourcing in part because that's the only way we can get to the truth."

When it comes to the current presidency, Bernstein said, "We have to recognize that almost everything we know about the truth of Donald Trump and his presidency comes from reporting," adding, "The fake news is the president's news," and journalists are "doing the real reporting."
 
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https://twitter.com/bombshelldaily/status/1302847100535869440?s=21


"We all have to use anonymous sources, especially in a climate where the president of the United States tries to actively intimidate," Goldberg said of his editorial decision to cite nameless people. "These are not people who are anonymous to me."

Carl Bernstein, the investigate reporter known for breaking the Watergate story that took down President Richard Nixon, told Stelter on Reliable Sources Sunday that anonymous sourcing is often a crucial tool for reporters.

"Almost all 200 of our stories about Watergate were based on anonymous sourcing," he said. Bernstein added that during the Trump era, "reporting is almost uniformly based on anonymous sourcing in part because that's the only way we can get to the truth."

When it comes to the current presidency, Bernstein said, "We have to recognize that almost everything we know about the truth of Donald Trump and his presidency comes from reporting," adding, "The fake news is the president's news," and journalists are "doing the real reporting."
I have no doubt that this isn’t the last of the anonymous sourced, made up hit pieces to try and influence an election. Luckily the media discredited themselves a long time ago, so no one really puts any stock in it. According to him the sources are just scared of the bully? Ha! No, they just know giving away their identity would give away their motivations. Still no one has answered, why are you so eager to believe 2 unnamed sources but you ignore 12 named individuals along with contemporaneous notes that say otherwise? Let’s hope some of you never get picked for a jury.
 

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I have no doubt that this isn’t the last of the anonymous sourced, made up hit pieces to try and influence an election. Luckily the media discredited themselves a long time ago, so no one really puts any stock in it. According to him the sources are just scared of the bully? Ha! No, they just know giving away their identity would give away their motivations. Still no one has answered, why are you so eager to believe 2 unnamed sources but you ignore 12 named individuals along with contemporaneous notes that say otherwise? Let’s hope some of you never get picked for a jury.
As one poster actually said earlier in this thread, "what political gain would there be by making this up?" LOL
 

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I have no doubt that this isn’t the last of the anonymous sourced, made up hit pieces to try and influence an election. Luckily the media discredited themselves a long time ago, so no one really puts any stock in it. According to him the sources are just scared of the bully? Ha! No, they just know giving away their identity would give away their motivations. Still no one has answered, why are you so eager to believe 2 unnamed sources but you ignore 12 named individuals along with contemporaneous notes that say otherwise? Let’s hope some of you never get picked for a jury.
This isn’t OAN or InfoWars. The Atlantic has been around since 1857 and has a stellar reputation for journalism. I don’t think they’re going to trade that in over one story or even one election.

If everyone had your attitude about anonymous sources, Nixon would have never been impeached.

https://www.adfontesmedia.com/the-atlantic-bias-and-reliability/
 

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I see that now we're using this story to covince the American public that named sources are no longer something that is important in journalism. People are just so wiling to accept it as the new standard. The absolute dumbing down of the public and lowering standards continues. This country is so f'd.
 

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