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wrenhal

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Strange part is, after another actor shot someone on set in the past, prop departments have to have, a weapons master. That person is supposed to make sure the gun stays empty until the camera is rolling, and make sure it only has blanks. The fact this happened is very confusing.

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CowboyJD

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Could have very well been loaded with blanks. Brandon Lee was killed by a blank.
Brandon Lee was killed from a squib load from a previous use of the gun that hadn't been cleared before a blank round was entered. A meaningful difference. A true blank has no projectile other than wadding. If there is a projectile left in the barrel (like in the Brandon Lee case), it can be propelled with a blank and end up killing someone from a distance.

Actor Jon-Erik Hexum was killed by a blank when he put the gun to his head and pulled the trigger. Wadding from the blank lodged in his head.

"In the film shoot preceding the fatal scene, the prop gun, which is a real revolver, was loaded with improperly-made dummy rounds, cartridges from which the special-effects crew had removed the powder charges so in close-ups the revolver would show normal-looking ammunitions. However, the crew neglected to remove the primers from the cartridges. At some point before the fatal event, one of the rounds had been fired; although there was no powder charges, the energy from the ignited primer was enough to separate the bullet from the casing and push it part-way into the gun barrel, where it got stuck (a condition known as a squib load). For the fatal scene, which called for the revolver to be fired at Lee from a distance of 3.6–4.5 meters (12–15 ft), the dummy cartridges were replaced with blank rounds, which contained a powder charge and the primer, but no solid bullet, allowing the gun to be fired with sound and flash effects without the risk of an actual projectile. However, the gun was not properly checked and cleared before the blank round was fired, and the dummy bullet previously lodged in the barrel was then propelled forward by the blank and shot out the muzzle with almost the same force as if the round were live, striking Lee in the abdomen.[99][100]"

It will be interesting to see how this happened and what role the movie's stunt director and weapons master had in it.
 

wrenhal

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Could have very well been loaded with blanks. Brandon Lee was killed by a blank.
Brandon Lee was killed from a squib load from a previous use of the gun that hadn't been cleared before a blank round was entered. A meaningful difference. A true blank has no projectile other than wadding. If there is a projectile left in the barrel (like in the Brandon Lee case), it can be propelled with a blank and end up killing someone from a distance.

Actor Jon-Erik Hexum was killed by a blank when he put the gun to his head and pulled the trigger. Wadding from the blank lodged in his head.

"In the film shoot preceding the fatal scene, the prop gun, which is a real revolver, was loaded with improperly-made dummy rounds, cartridges from which the special-effects crew had removed the powder charges so in close-ups the revolver would show normal-looking ammunitions. However, the crew neglected to remove the primers from the cartridges. At some point before the fatal event, one of the rounds had been fired; although there was no powder charges, the energy from the ignited primer was enough to separate the bullet from the casing and push it part-way into the gun barrel, where it got stuck (a condition known as a squib load). For the fatal scene, which called for the revolver to be fired at Lee from a distance of 3.6–4.5 meters (12–15 ft), the dummy cartridges were replaced with blank rounds, which contained a powder charge and the primer, but no solid bullet, allowing the gun to be fired with sound and flash effects without the risk of an actual projectile. However, the gun was not properly checked and cleared before the blank round was fired, and the dummy bullet previously lodged in the barrel was then propelled forward by the blank and shot out the muzzle with almost the same force as if the round were live, striking Lee in the abdomen.[99][100]"

It will be interesting to see how this happened and what role the movie's stunt director and weapons master had in it.
Exactly. Since the accident with Lee, those weapons masters are supposed to clean and clear every gun before use and then check the proper rounds are used in each situation.

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Why would he be pointing AND firing the gun at the Director of Photography and the Director? Rehearsing the scene?
 

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Why would he be pointing AND firing the gun at the Director of Photography and the Director? Rehearsing the scene?
If he's acting a scene where he has to point a gun at the camera and pull the trigger it could easily have happened, or if he just believed he had a prop gun and was pulling the trigger or something for fun etc...

Like JD Said it will be really interesting to see what exactly happened here.
 

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If he's acting a scene where he has to point a gun at the camera and pull the trigger it could easily have happened, or if he just believed he had a prop gun and was pulling the trigger or something for fun etc...

Like JD Said it will be really interesting to see what exactly happened here.
I can see the first happening, but an actor on a set should never be pulling the trigger of any gun....prop or not..."for fun". These things on sets are supposed to be highly regulated, supervised, and managed by the stunt team. Sometimes they aren't, and bad things can happen.
 

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Why would he be pointing AND firing the gun at the Director of Photography and the Director? Rehearsing the scene?
Could've been a scene where he is pointing and firing the gun at the camera. Pretty common in westerns to have that scene.
 
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Brandon Lee was killed from a squib load from a previous use of the gun that hadn't been cleared before a blank round was entered. A meaningful difference. A true blank has no projectile other than wadding. If there is a projectile left in the barrel (like in the Brandon Lee case), it can be propelled with a blank and end up killing someone from a distance.

Actor Jon-Erik Hexum was killed by a blank when he put the gun to his head and pulled the trigger. Wadding from the blank lodged in his head.

"In the film shoot preceding the fatal scene, the prop gun, which is a real revolver, was loaded with improperly-made dummy rounds, cartridges from which the special-effects crew had removed the powder charges so in close-ups the revolver would show normal-looking ammunitions. However, the crew neglected to remove the primers from the cartridges. At some point before the fatal event, one of the rounds had been fired; although there was no powder charges, the energy from the ignited primer was enough to separate the bullet from the casing and push it part-way into the gun barrel, where it got stuck (a condition known as a squib load). For the fatal scene, which called for the revolver to be fired at Lee from a distance of 3.6–4.5 meters (12–15 ft), the dummy cartridges were replaced with blank rounds, which contained a powder charge and the primer, but no solid bullet, allowing the gun to be fired with sound and flash effects without the risk of an actual projectile. However, the gun was not properly checked and cleared before the blank round was fired, and the dummy bullet previously lodged in the barrel was then propelled forward by the blank and shot out the muzzle with almost the same force as if the round were live, striking Lee in the abdomen.[99][100]"

It will be interesting to see how this happened and what role the movie's stunt director and weapons master had in it.
Thanks for clarifying. I had thought that Lee was killed by wadding/a piece of the blank as well.