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You see how relaxed Bob, JC and JH were at the press conference? Could all be an act, but they seemed pretty relaxed and confident. They seem to be (behind the scenes, from what insiders are saying) that they are, for good reason, very confident in how this is going to turn out. Like them or not, admit it or not, the leadership they have with the president, AD and Stoops is elite and they are good at what they do. I'd be more concerned without that support, and if OU wasnt the type of brand that appeals to coaches nationally. I was way more worried sunday than I am now though. It's not like this is iowa state, it's OU.
Most of those programs had down periods that started over multiple years of suckage and ineptitude. OU hasnt even touched that yet, so yeah while clearly they need to make the right hire, the bones are good- that is, the current talent, the '22 class, the leadership and the brand... all of that helps maintain. It's like how it went down at texas or nebraska. They had been failing for years before it got to this point.
I think OU will do just fine in sec with the right kind of coach who can recruit the kind of players they'll need to be competitive there. A brent veneables type would be pretty great for them if the OC is right, and I think finding a great OC wont be that hard if i'm being honest. Guys like Lebby and Kevin Wilson come to mind.
Most of those programs had down periods that started over multiple years of suckage and ineptitude. OU hasnt even touched that yet, so yeah while clearly they need to make the right hire, the bones are good- that is, the current talent, the '22 class, the leadership and the brand... all of that helps maintain. It's like how it went down at texas or nebraska. They had been failing for years before it got to this point.
I think OU will do just fine in sec with the right kind of coach who can recruit the kind of players they'll need to be competitive there. A brent veneables type would be pretty great for them if the OC is right, and I think finding a great OC wont be that hard if i'm being honest. Guys like Lebby and Kevin Wilson come to mind.
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If you say so, but OU is generally considered one of the best jobs in the sport. You can say that gundy would never leave no matter what, but the nice thing about that statement is that he's not a big enough name for you to ever have to find out what he'd do with a 10 million a year offer in the first place.
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Your argument doesn't hold water. Texas played for the NT in 2010 after winning it in 05. They fired Brown in 2013 and hired Strong. Just a few years removed from playing in the title game and less than 10 from winning it, they began their slide.
Michigan was named national champion in 97. They won the Big 10 in 03 and 04. They were second in 06 and 07. They then hire Rich Rod in 08 and started sucking. This is probably the best comparison. They recovered but it took a while.
Nebraska won a title in 97. Solich takes over in 98 and played for a title in 01. They fire Solich in 03 after he goes 9-3. They then hire Callahan who started their slide with only two winning seasons. They still haven't recovered.
None of these programs fell into mediocrity that's anywhere really below where you are now. They made one bad hire and it hurt them. Nebraska may never recover. I don't think that's OU, but you very well could be Michigan. They were plenty confident hiring Rich Rod.
Michigan was named national champion in 97. They won the Big 10 in 03 and 04. They were second in 06 and 07. They then hire Rich Rod in 08 and started sucking. This is probably the best comparison. They recovered but it took a while.
Nebraska won a title in 97. Solich takes over in 98 and played for a title in 01. They fire Solich in 03 after he goes 9-3. They then hire Callahan who started their slide with only two winning seasons. They still haven't recovered.
None of these programs fell into mediocrity that's anywhere really below where you are now. They made one bad hire and it hurt them. Nebraska may never recover. I don't think that's OU, but you very well could be Michigan. They were plenty confident hiring Rich Rod.
It's a sinking ship and you know it. I heard, as well as I am sure you did too, that the 3pm presser yesterday was supposed to be the Venables announcement. That wasn't even close. It was a damage control presser with your daddy bobby to help ease the pain for you morons standing around with your little peckers in your hand. Joe C begged for patience as this will take weeks, so you can pull up your britches now.
I flipped on the sports animal for the first time in several years during my commute yesterday. Dean told the boys that his sources say the Venables talk was unfounded yesterday. They had no clue where it came from. Meanwhile, recruits are dropping like flies and your players are hitting the portal hard like it's Amelia Molitor.
SINKING SHIP
Gundy isn't getting called because he's been raised here yet again and has bluffed multiple times in the past. He's at the twilight of his career and is a game away from the playoffs. There's no reason to expect his phone to ring and I am fine by that. My worry is with Knowles.. PSU just lost their DC. And if y'all pull off a miracle with Venables, you can bet Dabo will give Knowles a ring.
Enjoy the Alamo Bowl! I understand that Cale will be calling up Mike for play calling advice!
I flipped on the sports animal for the first time in several years during my commute yesterday. Dean told the boys that his sources say the Venables talk was unfounded yesterday. They had no clue where it came from. Meanwhile, recruits are dropping like flies and your players are hitting the portal hard like it's Amelia Molitor.
SINKING SHIP
Gundy isn't getting called because he's been raised here yet again and has bluffed multiple times in the past. He's at the twilight of his career and is a game away from the playoffs. There's no reason to expect his phone to ring and I am fine by that. My worry is with Knowles.. PSU just lost their DC. And if y'all pull off a miracle with Venables, you can bet Dabo will give Knowles a ring.
Enjoy the Alamo Bowl! I understand that Cale will be calling up Mike for play calling advice!
Of course it holds water. I said they fell into mediocrity after multiple years of ineptitude, and that OU is nowhere near that. Mediocrity does not just happen overnight, as much as you want to hope it will happen to OU like that. And the roster in Norman is still capable, riley didnt leave a sinking ship- he left a beast of an aircraft carrier that's still floating despite the hull breaches created by his torpedos.
Yes we all know texas played for a title during the 2009 season. We know they won it in 2005. From 2005-2009 their record was 58-8. We also know what happened after that don't we? Their record since the title game loss until they hired strong was 30-21. So, yes, it seems my argument holds water as they took a precipitous multiple year long slide into the mediocre program they are now.
Nebraska was on top of the world until 2001. That's when it all ended for them. From 1969 to 2001 their lowest win total for a season was 9. 9-4 was as bad as it got for 3 decades. Then they go 7-7, 10-3, 5-6 and 8-4. Their slide was less pronounced, but my point stands- they had a multi year slide into mediocrity and inconsistency.
You also bring up michigan- started going downhill in 2007. But carr had them winning 9-10 games almost every year. Then they slip up in 07, and he's gone. then two bad hires in a row. They slipped into mediocrity through multiple years of terrible coaching and didnt recover until recently.
So it seems these examples have proven my point- that those programs took significant declines that occurred over a period of a few years - which is not what see in Norman. I mean, this is the worst season OU has had in a while, and they're 10-2. So perhaps you can elaborate a bit more on what you mean by implying none of those programs fell into a level of mediocrity below where OU is now. eet make-ah no cents. Clearly the hire they make is important, but it's not like htey have suffered through multiple mediocre seasons and a shitty roster. The next HC can be very successful with what's going on at this moment in time. Unlike the new hcs at nebraska and texas, who were left with a pile of crap and clear issues in their leadership. And none of them had a hall of fame coach helping to smooth the transition. I mean, objectively, that's really nice to have.
Yes we all know texas played for a title during the 2009 season. We know they won it in 2005. From 2005-2009 their record was 58-8. We also know what happened after that don't we? Their record since the title game loss until they hired strong was 30-21. So, yes, it seems my argument holds water as they took a precipitous multiple year long slide into the mediocre program they are now.
Nebraska was on top of the world until 2001. That's when it all ended for them. From 1969 to 2001 their lowest win total for a season was 9. 9-4 was as bad as it got for 3 decades. Then they go 7-7, 10-3, 5-6 and 8-4. Their slide was less pronounced, but my point stands- they had a multi year slide into mediocrity and inconsistency.
You also bring up michigan- started going downhill in 2007. But carr had them winning 9-10 games almost every year. Then they slip up in 07, and he's gone. then two bad hires in a row. They slipped into mediocrity through multiple years of terrible coaching and didnt recover until recently.
So it seems these examples have proven my point- that those programs took significant declines that occurred over a period of a few years - which is not what see in Norman. I mean, this is the worst season OU has had in a while, and they're 10-2. So perhaps you can elaborate a bit more on what you mean by implying none of those programs fell into a level of mediocrity below where OU is now. eet make-ah no cents. Clearly the hire they make is important, but it's not like htey have suffered through multiple mediocre seasons and a shitty roster. The next HC can be very successful with what's going on at this moment in time. Unlike the new hcs at nebraska and texas, who were left with a pile of crap and clear issues in their leadership. And none of them had a hall of fame coach helping to smooth the transition. I mean, objectively, that's really nice to have.
If we won the national championship, I wouldn't be here talking to you, sister girl. I would be celebrating my ass off.
Yes, it's normal to lose recruits and suffer some player turnover to the portal when losing a coach. What's unfortunate is the timing and the fashion that it happened in. Y'all could be playing in the SEC in 10 months. Don't lie to yourself, it was already going to be a tough adjustment for tummy tat. Just look at how things went this year in the Big 12. OU struggled against almost everyone. Should it really take sOoNeR mAgIc to beat KU? If things don't turnaround before too long, the SEC is going to be even tougher. Riley knew it and in Riley you morons trusted.
Yes, it's normal to lose recruits and suffer some player turnover to the portal when losing a coach. What's unfortunate is the timing and the fashion that it happened in. Y'all could be playing in the SEC in 10 months. Don't lie to yourself, it was already going to be a tough adjustment for tummy tat. Just look at how things went this year in the Big 12. OU struggled against almost everyone. Should it really take sOoNeR mAgIc to beat KU? If things don't turnaround before too long, the SEC is going to be even tougher. Riley knew it and in Riley you morons trusted.
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Two simple points. First, each of those new hires were qualitatively worse than the prior two three years before they were hired. Second, those final years may not have been their peak for each of those good coaches, but OU isn't at its peak either. You are in your longest national title drought basically ever. Ditto for even playing in a national title game. All I'm saying is, you're a great program but not invincible. You're like everyone else where bad coaching hires are realistic possibilities, especially in a situation like this, and you could very easily take a significant step back.
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You had a few good drives in the beginning of the game and then we put the clamps on. Only gifted points kept you in it.