Big 12 Realignment thread, 2021 version

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What conference would you like to see OSU join?

  • ACC

  • Big Ten

  • PAC-12

  • Expanded Big 12

  • Other (please explain)


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Nov 25, 2009
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Imagine if Texas Tech never fired Mike Leach for political reasons and Kansas never fired Mark Mangino for poking a player. Both coaches represent the best possible coach and highest level of success those schools could ever hope to have. Both teams were ranked in the top 20 on a bad week and have never recovered since. The calculus of how strong the Big 12 would be in our current situation, or even whether Texas and OU would have left in the first place, if a Mangino Kansas and Leach TTech were still here is an interesting thought.
Not sure we could had Bill Young as our Championship DC if Mangino was still the HC?

Our record might tarnish little bit too then?
 
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100% correct

Why merge and not get their money when you can accomplish the same thing and call it a scheduling alliance and get their money.

Then...when GOR expires, you have viewership data to bargain the the next Media contract with, which would be based on a merger, then you take it to Nebraska and show them how lucrative and powerful that merger and resulting Conference would be with them in it.

Plus...OSUBis in a position of advamtage...
1) we are the most attractive team left in the Big 12 so we would get good matchups with Pac teams
2) We don't have to replace both OU and Texas.
We just have to replace Texas. Unlike the rest of the Big 12 teams, we can still play OU if we want, then dictate, to the best we can, what type of matchups we'd prefer with Pac teams to balance our schedlue
It is easier to win against Texas than against 0U, even in Austin with their pay-roll refs.
 
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Yes they would get quite a bump.

First, OSU tv viewership net of Bedlam would put it in the upper half of the PAC 12. Second, this would be viewers from Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Kansas, etc that they are not getting now - incremental tv sets. Home games in Stillwater would give them the ability to fill tv early start times (11 am central) with PAC 12 teams playing OSU or TTech; they would get a chance to generate some at least casual interest even from the East Cost, but for sure the middle of the country - something they cannot do now. For sure it opens up two thirds of the US to PAC exposure which they don't get now.

You mentioned TCU - I don't think TCU or Baylor will be going. Odds are it would be just OSU and TTech going to the PAC. I think Kansas will take it's AAU membership and basketball history to the Big along with Iowa State. I think WVU goes to the ACC, and I think K State, Baylor and TCU go to the Mountain West or AAC.

Oregon State, UCLA, Arizona State at Stillwater would be a some interesting matchups and I think would draw a lot of live fans at the stadium as well as tv viewers.
We need at least 1 Texas school with us anywhere we go except the BIG for recruiting purposes.
 
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I contend he did. Two things we know for sure about Boone: he loved OSU and he hated losing to OU. Therefore, I contend he would not leave this earth without at least also leaving a wad of secret cash to be used to help the cause, whether it be pay for a top tier football coach, or anything else necessary to advance our cause.
Boone wanted us to earn the AAU membership, but just buy it.
 
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@OrangeFan69 after spending a week in vegas and LA I think you were right about the Pac 12. I was wearing an oklahoma state polo when I was throughout the casinos and LA and alot of Oregon, USC, pac 12 fans would be fired up at the chance to add Oklahoma state. They have a great respect for our athletic traditions. Not only that factor but the media markets that we would have access to Las Vegas, denver, phoenix, LA, seattle could help us grow our brand. The roadtrips while further, would be better from a things to do and airport perspective. If the cfp committee would limit the number of teams from one conference to 3 which the other commissioners should demand. Imagine OU being locked out as the 4th best team in the SEC. I think we would be in a good spot to make the cfp as we should be in the top tier of the the pac 12 in football. Our path would likely be oregon, usc, arizona state or washington. Thats alot easier than ohio state/penn state, clemson/miami/unc, or alabama/uga/lsu/florida. It also really seperates us from uo we would be more midwest to west coast. I saw a uo fan and he asked me what i thought about uo moving to the SEC i told him never trust a sooner has been my thoughts all along. I think the pac 12 could be our way to the cfp. If we move conferences and make it to the cfp before they do since realignment that would be great. I saw this tweet tweet and I believe this as well.

https://twitter.com/espnupstate/status/1422999646922756099?s=21
 
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@OrangeFan69 after spending a week in vegas and LA I think you were right about the Pac 12. I was wearing an oklahoma state polo when I was throughout the casinos and LA and alot of Oregon, USC, pac 12 fans would be fired up at the chance to add Oklahoma state. They have a great respect for our athletic traditions. Not only that factor but the media markets that we would have access to Las Vegas, denver, phoenix, LA, seattle could help us grow our brand. The roadtrips while further, would be better from a things to do and airport perspective. If the cfp committee would limit the number of teams from one conference to 3 which the other commissioners should demand. Imagine OU being locked out as the 4th best team in the pac12. I think we would be in a good spot to make the cfp as we should be in the top tier of the the pac 12 in football. Our path would likely be oregon, usc, arizona state or washington. Thats alot easier than ohio state/penn state, clemson/miami/unc, or alabama/uga/lsu/florida. It also really seperates us from uo we would be more midwest to west coast. I saw a uo fan and he asked me what i thought about uo moving to the SEC i told him never trust a sooner has been my thoughts all along. I think the pac 12 could be our way to the cfp. If we move conferences and make it to the cfp before they do since realignment that would be great. I saw this tweet tweet and I believe this as well.

https://twitter.com/espnupstate/status/1422999646922756099?s=21
What is ESPN Upstate, and why do we care what their perspective is?
 

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I've been in the San Jose area of California for business during the NFL season. It is hard to find a real sports bar. So I think they are pretty blasé when it comes to any sport. Definitely a lower density of sports followers per 1000 people on the West Coast compared to the South.

But my argument was about tradition. It seems that I place a higher value on the traditions of being a school that wins championships and produces Heisman Trophy winners than a school that has a special drink they have on a game day, wear a special outfit, or have a special cheer. Some of the schools that hang their hat on those types of traditions tend to have traditions in losing too.
Well when I say tradition, it's not just winning and and who wins what trophy. I mean rivalries, being nationally relevant, having those traditions that make it special for the players and lifer fans, stuff that even non fans of that school know about. People watch the OU texas game or Bedlam or ohio state michigan because of the tradition of those games and it's better when they're good of course. But at any rate, sec is still full of teams who have been good over their history, better than most teams in the pac.
 
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What is ESPN Upstate, and why do we care what their perspective is?
its about the media perspective that oklahoma state football would walk into the pac 12 as the best football option in the pac 12. You could recruit a whole coast with that notion. In the current big 12 you are 3rd at best, sec dont even count, big 10 3rd at best. Im not sure what point you are looking for.. if you don’t care that is fine.
 

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its about the media perspective that oklahoma state football would walk into the pac 12 as the best football option in the pac 12. You could recruit a whole coast with that notion. In the current big 12 you are 3rd at best, sec dont even count, big 10 3rd at best. Im not sure what point you are looking for.. if you don’t care that is fine.
I was simply wondering what kind of influence a regional ESPN affiliate for upstate South Carolina could have in this discussion. It's one hot take from a random radio show, not "the" media perspective.
 
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I was simply wondering what kind of influence a regional ESPN affiliate for upstate South Carolina could have in this discussion. It's one hot take from a random radio show, not "the" media perspective.
If you listen around there are others who feel the same way maybe you are waiting on a big espn personality like lebatard to say it but he probably doesnt care abt pac 12 or osu football. I think most of the media influence will happen behind the scenes. Thats why i didnt say anything about influence I said I believe his statement as well.
 
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the best way for u to get in the pac-12 is take a texas school with u Tech or Hou and maybe Kansas or unlv as well u best shot is Tech u Kansas unlv 4 diff staies u get the Vegas market KC west tx or West tx Hou and Kansas if u kansas and tech work together u can save ya'll bacon the pac 12 really loves baketball and if they reject UNLV Hou then u can say K-State or TCU all b12 school fit in the pac but baylor
 
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I think OSU, Tech, ISU and KU/KSU give pac12 4 new states and decent football and basketball.
Why do people think like this? Is there some kind of prize for adding the most states or something?

I simply don't understand anyone who things a Power 4 conference is imminently calling for Iowa State. Not even the Big Ten is stupid enough to reduce their TV payout just because Iowa State is AAU. No, just no.

As pointed out above, KU likely doesn't even move the needle, or if it does, in the wrong direction.
 
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Why do people think like this? Is there some kind of prize for adding the most states or something?

I simply don't understand anyone who things a Power 4 conference is imminently calling for Iowa State. Not even the Big Ten is stupid enough to reduce their TV payout just because Iowa State is AAU. No, just no.

As pointed out above, KU likely doesn't even move the needle, or if it does, in the wrong direction.
Agree and Disagree

I agree that KU and ISU bring little to the table in terms of revenue and would likely dilute the pot. For that reason, The Big 10 probably isn’t interested in bringing them on.

Where I disagree is that the landscape of CFB is rapidly changing, some people are predicting 4 (16,18,20 team) super conferences. If that’s the case they may be forced into a situation where they must add teams. Aside from Notre Dame, KU and ISU bring the most to the table in terms of geography , AAU status, and athletic success. So if their hand is forced, they might be their best options.
 
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Is it possible that TV revenue has taken too big of a focus in the realignment conversation? I know that’s likely a naive question, but I do wonder how much intangibles like attendance, gameday culture and competitiveness will play into it.

The gameday atmosphere in Stillwater is elite. We also happen to have the best homecoming in the country. Many Big Ten fanbases would be fired up to visit a mild-climate Stillwater in October or November for a top-20 match up. I hope we get our shot at presenting this to the conference.
 
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Agree and Disagree

I agree that KU and ISU bring little to the table in terms of revenue and would likely dilute the pot. For that reason, The Big 10 probably isn’t interested in bringing them on.

Where I disagree is that the landscape of CFB is rapidly changing, some people are predicting 4 (16,18,20 team) super conferences. If that’s the case they may be forced into a situation where they must add teams. Aside from Notre Dame, KU and ISU bring the most to the table in terms of geography , AAU status, and athletic success. So if their hand is forced, they might be their best options.
Norte dame can not go into the b10 utill 2036 at the earliest they are locked in to the acc if they have to go to a conf
here is my super 4
SEC - None for now
B10 UVA Kanas
P12 OSU T Tech hou unlv or n mex
ACC ND UCF MEM or UCONN