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Bill Self Says OSU has Best Team on Paper

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#44
Brian Williams is probably the best returning shooter on the team.

OSU has an extremely athletic team...not sure if they are the most talented. Guys need to learn better fundamentals and that's coaching. We'll see how much they have improved in the off-season if at all.
 
#45
Brian Williams is probably the best returning shooter on the team.

OSU has an extremely athletic team...not sure if they are the most talented. Guys need to learn better fundamentals and that's coaching. We'll see how much they have improved in the off-season if at all.
A 27% 3pt shooter is out best returning shooter? Sweet.
 
#48
Don't forget, this is still one of the youngest teams in the nation, 2 freshman, 4 sophs will play the key roles along with MB, still plenty of fodder for excuses
Regardless, this is year 5 of the Ford regime. At some point the "Excuse de Jour" rings a little hollow. Some of the reasons/excuses for the level of our success in basketball the last four years have to be attributed to Ford. He seems like a good guy. I like a lot of the things he does for the program and the university off of the court. But someday I would like to compete for a championship again in basketball. Except for those instances where we have hired alums like, Gundy, Holliday, Smith, coaches are mercenaries. If they get a better offer they will bolt. We need to be willing to move on to another option if Ford can't make us more competitve. Each year under Ford our record has gotten worse. I hope this is the year that Ford leads us to a higher level.

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CTeamPoke

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#50
A 27% 3pt shooter is out best returning shooter? Sweet.
If you knew anything about basketball you would know that if you're hovering around 30% from beyond the arch you're doing pretty good. You want to score one point for every shot you take, so on three pointers if you make one out of three you're breaking even and doing alright.

The best three point shooters in college basketball history hover around 40%... Those kind of guys are very rare. You're a great three point shooter of you're shooting over 35%... You're good if you're shooting over 25%.
 
#51
If you knew anything about basketball you would know that if you're hovering around 30% from beyond the arch you're doing pretty good. You want to score one point for every shot you take, (1)so on three pointers if you make one out of three you're breaking even and doing alright.

The best three point shooters in college basketball history hover around 40%... Those kind of guys are very rare. You're a great three point shooter of you're shooting over 35%... (2)You're good if you're shooting over 25%.
1. 1 out of 3 = 33%. 33%> 27%
2. That is simply not true. Anything under 30% for a perimeter player is average at best.
 
#52
Among the 34 Big XII players who had 2 or more 3pt attempts per game, the bottom 3 in % rounded out like this:

32. Cezar Guerrero .297
33. Brian Williams .270
34. Lebryan Nash .235

CTeamPoke, learn something about basketball, your standards are way off.
 

CTeamPoke

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#53
Among the 34 Big XII players who had 2 or more 3pt attempts per game, the bottom 3 in % rounded out like this:

32. Cezar Guerrero .297
33. Brian Williams .270
34. Lebryan Nash .235

CTeamPoke, learn something about basketball, your standards are way off.
Oh yeah so lump in all of those guys who took five 3 point shots and made 3 of them. Give me a break. Get a breakdown of the players who had 20 or more.
 
#55
If you knew anything about basketball you would know that if you're hovering around 30% from beyond the arch you're doing pretty good. You want to score one point for every shot you take, so on three pointers if you make one out of three you're breaking even and doing alright.

The best three point shooters in college basketball history hover around 40%... Those kind of guys are very rare. You're a great three point shooter of you're shooting over 35%... You're good if you're shooting over 25%.
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewContent.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=10410&CONTENT_ID=170771
Check out these statistics from last season. The team 3 pt percentages range from Missouri at .398% to Texas at .328%. We ranked 8th at .333%. The only reason we weren't dead last is because Page lifted our overall statistics a ton.

I think you're view of what a good 3 pt shooting percentage is a little off. One of the reasons we've struggled so much in the last couple of seasons has been because outside of Page we haven't had that many players that can consistently hit an open shot.
 

SiggyPoke

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#56
So in other words, our returning players (by and large) suck at 3 pt shooting, so we, in theory, should have a piss poor 3 pt. shooting team this season.
 
#57
So in other words, our returning players (by and large) suck at 3 pt shooting, so we, in theory, should have a piss poor 3 pt. shooting team this season.
I think it's a toss up. One of our main problems last year was we didn't have a low post player that commanded attention from the defense. That led to poor spacing & tougher outside shots. If Cobbins or Nash can step up their low post game & our backcourt players can become a little more consistent, we could be decent from outside. But that remains to be seen.
 

William McEwan

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#58
They will be the best three point shooting team in the big 12 next year. I have absolutely no information that has led me to this conclusion, I have done zero research, I have no links to a fancy page with fancy graphs, but what I do have is an eye test and guess what? We passed the eye test. Problem solved and now we are moving on.
 

SiggyPoke

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#59
Well I'm sold.

They will be the best three point shooting team in the big 12 next year. I have absolutely no information that has led me to this conclusion, I have done zero research, I have no links to a fancy page with fancy graphs, but what I do have is an eye test and guess what? We passed the eye test. Problem solved and now we are moving on.
 

CTeamPoke

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#60
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewContent.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=10410&CONTENT_ID=170771
Check out these statistics from last season. The team 3 pt percentages range from Missouri at .398% to Texas at .328%. We ranked 8th at .333%. The only reason we weren't dead last is because Page lifted our overall statistics a ton.

I think you're view of what a good 3 pt shooting percentage is a little off. One of the reasons we've struggled so much in the last couple of seasons has been because outside of Page we haven't had that many players that can consistently hit an open shot.
What was Page's 3 point percentage? 36% on his career?

If you're hovering around 30% you're doing alright. I'm also pretty confident that all of those guys will be better.