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It was a simple friggin question. Reasonable answers would have included yes, no, or we simply don’t know. After getting the runaround by the board experts I’ve done a little digging on my own and I have concluded that yes, those that have natural immunity from infection are just as protected as those that have not had Covid but have been vaccinated. I would agree that there appears to be some benefit for those that have recovered to get vaccinated. That was never any part of my question
This one?
A new study from Israel, which is yet to be peer reviewed, concluded that natural immunity confers longer-lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalisation caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared with immunity induced from two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech two-dose vaccine
A new study from Israel, which is yet to be peer reviewed, concluded that natural immunity confers longer-lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalisation caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared with immunity induced from two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech two-dose vaccine
You are missing the point. We are talking about a government mandate which means large scale sweeping conditions. Thus the not fully scientifically proven ability of antibodies from previous infection cannot be taken into account because they are not easily assimilated and tracked like having taken the vaccine can be. The immunity of each individual who had COVID before is not something they can track like having taken a vaccine. So of course the government is going to go with what they can see and track. For that matter the antibodies and resistance to the disease for those that have had COVID and not gotten a vaccine are no where near as documented a success as those that have received a vaccine. So of course they are going to go with the scientifically validated option above others. This is nothing new by the way. I am one of the few people that have actually had chicken pox more than once. This is because I got such a mild case the first time that I did not develop enough proper antibodies to immune me from it later like most people. COVID is the the same in that it is a scale that cannot be relied that an individual had a case previously that they can be deemed safe from infection later. The vaccine however has shown in multiple peer reviewed studied to be mostly equal in its immunity as long as you are not elderly or have multiple other underlying conditions.
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I dunno. Maybe the 650k who have died in the US, including my sister in law, are just too stupid to understand that their natural immunity is superior and should protect them from death. No, I'm saying that the unvaccinated are dying at a astronomically faster rate than the vaccinated. That's the price of developing natural immunity.
You deserve to be called an idiot for making such an idiotic statement, idiot.
You deserve to be called an idiot for making such an idiotic statement, idiot.
Seems like a very logical approach to the natural immunity issue and mandates.
https://www.mcall.com/coronavirus/m...0210913-pie6ycgsnra4pfqmdqlaamrjyi-story.html
https://www.mcall.com/coronavirus/m...0210913-pie6ycgsnra4pfqmdqlaamrjyi-story.html
I never once suggested that anyone should forgo the vaccine and wait to get their immunity from the virus. Nice stretch even for you. Is natural immunity from having contracted Covid at least equal to the immunity from the vaccine in those that haven’t had Covid? St. Luke’s and a lot of other folks seem to think so. You won’t answer that simple question why?
As far as "the medical community," you have all types in it....some are staunch anti vax, most of the time these are the sorts that also work MOSTLY for economic benefit in holistic fields like chiropractic care or vision care or wellness (I'm thinking of a specific "person" in Tulsa). The extremely successful financially of these types are typically very independent and cocky persons who think they know everything and seldom trust ANY research if it's not their own or from their community. This attitude serves them to believe in their own science over "accepted" science. These guys and gals are a very American type of counter culture and very rarely "agree" with the rest of the medical community on much of anything, vaccines are just a part of that disbelief.
Here's the deal, in your work example, both as a requirement for George's work, AND because it provides additional immunity, George needs to get the vaccine. This way, George is not only doing the right thing for his family and friends, George is also doing the right thing for his employer and his financial situation. EVEN then, a provision has been made that if George STILL, after all the evidence, doesn't want to take it, he can choose to take a test every day. Employees are required to do things everyday, we have to pay taxes, we have to do drug testing, we have to be kind to others, we have to work with people whom we don't agree with, we have to keep moving forward...part of that is taking a simple vaccine.
Here's the deal, in your work example, both as a requirement for George's work, AND because it provides additional immunity, George needs to get the vaccine. This way, George is not only doing the right thing for his family and friends, George is also doing the right thing for his employer and his financial situation. EVEN then, a provision has been made that if George STILL, after all the evidence, doesn't want to take it, he can choose to take a test every day. Employees are required to do things everyday, we have to pay taxes, we have to do drug testing, we have to be kind to others, we have to work with people whom we don't agree with, we have to keep moving forward...part of that is taking a simple vaccine.
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No, people who won't comply with simple instructions have problems...the best way to end the virus is the vaccine...the worst way is to argue about it over and over and over and look for political outrage and confirmation bias...it's a vaccine we all NEED to take, they just need to comply. Simple, done.
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Did you even read the article you posted yourself??? Here is a direct quote from the article answering your very question:
Available research appears to show that those who have natural immunity and get their shots are better off than those who rely on natural immunity alone. A study released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in August found that subjects who had natural immunity but were unvaccinated were more than twice as likely to be reinfected with COVID-19 as those who had natural immunity and those who got their shots.
Available research appears to show that those who have natural immunity and get their shots are better off than those who rely on natural immunity alone. A study released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in August found that subjects who had natural immunity but were unvaccinated were more than twice as likely to be reinfected with COVID-19 as those who had natural immunity and those who got their shots.
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Read my original question. Please point me to the place where I stated that George shouldn't get vaccinated. I simply asked if his immunity is as good as someone who hasn't been infected but has been vaccinated. The next thing you know I'm an antivaxxer and probably responsible for many of the 650k deaths including RX's sister-in-law. I should have just done a quick google search and skipped this absolute crap show. I actually thought someone might respond with something like "Yes, it's good immunity like we've always thought." or "No, we're thinking now that natural immunity is not good" or even (I know I'm dreaming here) "We just don't really know at this point". I should have known better.