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Correct, my comment wasn't that you're responding to has nothing to do with Joe Rogan. I don't follow his podcast or really know who he's had on or not.
I do get a kick of you guys in the 'MISINFORMATION!!!' crowd though. Many of you appear so worried about that that you're apparently blind as to why there's an audience for misinformation.
I do get a kick of you guys in the 'MISINFORMATION!!!' crowd though. Many of you appear so worried about that that you're apparently blind as to why there's an audience for misinformation.
I misinterpreted your first reply as being about a Joe Rogan guest, since he has had several who make the argument about IVM needing to be looked at.
My stance this whole time has only been that Joe Rogan's guests do frequently traffic in misinformation, nothing more. Even said he shouldn't be taken off spotify, and yet you somehow put me in a crowd that's panicked about misinformation? If I do come across it, all I try to do is explain why it's misinformation. I don't call people names. I don't get angry. I don't lump everyone into boxes. If you feel like that's not true, then I apologize. I do get why people buy misinformation which is why I go for the approach outlined above. Science is complicated. Politics suck. Everyone has been wrong in some massive way over the last two years. The pandemic intrudes on our lives whether we like it or not. Simple answers with someone to blame are always appealing to all of us, myself included, and even better if those simple answers conform to our prior worldviews. My default disposition is to think most people are just doing their best to wade through all of that. That's also why I use pretty tame language, like not assuming nefarious motives or saying that they're "lying".
My stance this whole time has only been that Joe Rogan's guests do frequently traffic in misinformation, nothing more. Even said he shouldn't be taken off spotify, and yet you somehow put me in a crowd that's panicked about misinformation? If I do come across it, all I try to do is explain why it's misinformation. I don't call people names. I don't get angry. I don't lump everyone into boxes. If you feel like that's not true, then I apologize. I do get why people buy misinformation which is why I go for the approach outlined above. Science is complicated. Politics suck. Everyone has been wrong in some massive way over the last two years. The pandemic intrudes on our lives whether we like it or not. Simple answers with someone to blame are always appealing to all of us, myself included, and even better if those simple answers conform to our prior worldviews. My default disposition is to think most people are just doing their best to wade through all of that. That's also why I use pretty tame language, like not assuming nefarious motives or saying that they're "lying".
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Hillcrest updated their graphic yesterday...still less folks in ICU with Covid than at the highest point of the pandemic. A few are vaccinated now, but most are clearly still among the unvaccinated in both the hospital and ICU. To end the problems associated with the pandemic we need to reduce hospitalizations and ICU use by Covid patients...the best ways to do this are vaccines and therapeutics.
yeah...step 1 of this should have been to create universal standards of definitions for terms and tracking guidelines of how to report data across the entire 50 states and territories and set up valid matrix values that need to be reported on.
But that never happened so we have 1,000 of different metrics states, cities, counties, media, politicians, Dr's, Joe Blow Facebook poster etc etc etc etc etc etc all try to use.
But that never happened so we have 1,000 of different metrics states, cities, counties, media, politicians, Dr's, Joe Blow Facebook poster etc etc etc etc etc etc all try to use.
I assume that Covid is either THE reason or a contributor to the reason the person is hospitalized. From my sources in ER it's mostly, THE reason. Look we all want covid to be over...we all want to move on with our lives...we are all hopeful this is the last major spike and that we don't get other variants that are even more of an issue. We just have to do the things that prevent hospitalization...What are those things?
That's up to the folks out there to decide. All they can do is look at facts...I'm just providing a few.
That's up to the folks out there to decide. All they can do is look at facts...I'm just providing a few.
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When a Dr. sends a patient to our ED for low back pain and during the workup the patients states a runny nose, so a test is run and they come up positive, COVID is neither THE reason nor a contributor.
The example I provided earlier is a morbidly obese woman with multiple comorbidities who's been an inpatient with us 5 times now in the last 9 months. FIrst time she's tested positive, and is not symptomatic at all. Labeling her as a COVID inpatient misses the mark, to say the least, and is a bad reporting metric.
The example I provided earlier is a morbidly obese woman with multiple comorbidities who's been an inpatient with us 5 times now in the last 9 months. FIrst time she's tested positive, and is not symptomatic at all. Labeling her as a COVID inpatient misses the mark, to say the least, and is a bad reporting metric.
Even IF any of what you just said is the case...The real covid numbers of hospitalized patients are still indicated in the graphic. What does the graphics tell you? My understanding is that over 60% of Oklahoma is vaccinated...YET the covid patients who are in the hospital without the vaccine FAR outweigh the number who are in the hospital with it...what does that tell you? REGARDLESS of the point you are trying to make??
As I've said numerous times, the vaccines clearly work to lessen the effects. Who's even arguing about how vaxxed vs. non-vaxxed are doing? I"m not, so you have no point there at all.
You're off on some tangent that has nothing to do with what I said.
You apparently can't grasp the simple concept of someone being hospitalized for COVID vs. someone hospitalized for something altogether different who's COVID positive. If they report a sniffle or any little symptom, we test them, to protect our staff genius.