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Rack

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This is a stupid comment.

Do really think multiple European countries would shut down just to affect US elections?:derp:
That's not what I said...I said mass media driving bad news home to effect political elections has been a thing since the beginning of the 11th/12th biggest pandemic in history (IF you believe the numbers). They have made it FAR bigger than it should be while downplay things like 1,000 black children aborted DAILY. My point is that it's over the top in its media driven narrative to scare people and to affect elections. It's real, but the mass media have made it Godlike in it's attention. My having a different opinion than you isn't "stupid," nor was my comment.

Btw, Amy Coney Barret is confirmed...God Bless America!
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That's not what I said...I said mass media driving bad news home to effect political elections has been a thing since the beginning of the 11th/12th biggest pandemic in history (IF you believe the numbers). They have made it FAR bigger than it should be while downplay things like 1,000 black children aborted DAILY. My point is that it's over the top in its media driven narrative to scare people and to affect elections. It's real, but the mass media have made it Godlike in it's attention. My having a different opinion than you isn't "stupid," nor was my comment.

Btw, Amy Coney Barret is confirmed...God Bless America!
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That isn't what the post that was quoted said in the least. You made a dumb argument that media and other shutdowns were to impact "the most powerful nation on earth". That is a conspiracy level accusation and requires extraordinary evidence.

We both know you don't have any and owning things isn't your thing. Which is why you posted this deflection. Yawn.
 

Rack

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That isn't what the post that was quoted said in the least. You made a dumb argument that media and other shutdowns were to impact "the most powerful nation on earth". That is a conspiracy level accusation and requires extraordinary evidence.

We both know you don't have any and owning things isn't your thing. Which is why you posted this deflection. Yawn.
I own the fact that the media trumps up covid daily and a huge motivation is to defeat the POTUS. I also own the fact that many other nations don't like Trump so who knows what they will do.
 

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So a couple of things don't quite compute. I've been hearing all day every day that masks are critical to fighting the woo. The director of the CDC said masks may offer more protection against Covid than a vaccine.

Everywhere I go everyone is wearing masks. People at work, EVERYONE in every store I go to. I haven't seen anyone in public, in person, without a mask in a couple of months. 92 percent of 2,200 Americans recently polled say they wear a face mask when leaving their home, with 74 percent saying they “always” do. That “always” percentage is up nearly a quarter since July, according to the poll, which has a 2 percent margin of error. Somehow the numbers are climbing again.

We are paying by the rules, why isn't it helping?
 
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So a couple of things don't quite compute. I've been hearing all day every day that masks are critical to fighting the woo. The director of the CDC said masks may offer more protection against Covid than a vaccine.

Everywhere I go everyone is wearing masks. People at work, EVERYONE in every store I go to. I haven't seen anyone in public, in person, without a mask in a couple of months. 92 percent of 2,200 Americans recently polled say they wear a face mask when leaving their home, with 74 percent saying they “always” do. That “always” percentage is up nearly a quarter since July, according to the poll, which has a 2 percent margin of error. Somehow the numbers are climbing again.

We are paying by the rules, why isn't it helping?
The situations that don't require masks likely aren't being fully factored in: bars and indoor dining, get togethers in private residences, etc. My town has been at a high plateau for about 5 weeks and our health department continues to talk about how bars, indoor dining, and indoor gatherings have been the largest sources of infection per our contact tracing. Once those increase, people then spread it to other adults at home creating clusters of secondary spread. My understanding is that other towns are seeing similar trends. Add that to the fact that I think surveys on this stuff have to be taken with a massive grain of salt and you have your answer (social desirability and the fact that we're terrible about those kinds of frequency estimates are key here). Plus, my state's rural areas have by far the highest infection rates when they should have the lowest because of ease of distancing and based on what I see when driving through at gas stations and restaurants, extremely few people are wearing masks or distancing. National data have been showing similar trends for a month or so now.
 
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So a couple of things don't quite compute. I've been hearing all day every day that masks are critical to fighting the woo. The director of the CDC said masks may offer more protection against Covid than a vaccine.

Everywhere I go everyone is wearing masks. People at work, EVERYONE in every store I go to. I haven't seen anyone in public, in person, without a mask in a couple of months. 92 percent of 2,200 Americans recently polled say they wear a face mask when leaving their home, with 74 percent saying they “always” do. That “always” percentage is up nearly a quarter since July, according to the poll, which has a 2 percent margin of error. Somehow the numbers are climbing again.

We are paying by the rules, why isn't it helping?
I don't see everyone wearing masks here in OKC. Even those wearing masks are careless about how they cover
their complete mouth and nose.
 

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So a couple of things don't quite compute. I've been hearing all day every day that masks are critical to fighting the woo. The director of the CDC said masks may offer more protection against Covid than a vaccine.

Everywhere I go everyone is wearing masks. People at work, EVERYONE in every store I go to. I haven't seen anyone in public, in person, without a mask in a couple of months. 92 percent of 2,200 Americans recently polled say they wear a face mask when leaving their home, with 74 percent saying they “always” do. That “always” percentage is up nearly a quarter since July, according to the poll, which has a 2 percent margin of error. Somehow the numbers are climbing again.

We are paying by the rules, why isn't it helping?
We are playing by the Rules? HAHAH OMG


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So a couple of things don't quite compute. I've been hearing all day every day that masks are critical to fighting the woo. The director of the CDC said masks may offer more protection against Covid than a vaccine.

Everywhere I go everyone is wearing masks. People at work, EVERYONE in every store I go to. I haven't seen anyone in public, in person, without a mask in a couple of months. 92 percent of 2,200 Americans recently polled say they wear a face mask when leaving their home, with 74 percent saying they “always” do. That “always” percentage is up nearly a quarter since July, according to the poll, which has a 2 percent margin of error. Somehow the numbers are climbing again.

We are paying by the rules, why isn't it helping?
I keep saying this as well. Europe is seeing a massive surge in cases despite nationwide mask mandates for months now. You can explain the spikes in rural areas where people aren’t taking precautions, but how do you explain the massive spikes in France, Spain, Italy, etc.
 
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I keep saying this as well. Europe is seeing a massive surge in cases despite nationwide mask mandates for months now. You can explain the spikes in rural areas where people aren’t taking precautions, but how do you explain the massive spikes in France, Spain, Italy, etc.
As above, I'd wonder what indoor activities are allowed (bars, dining, etc) and what adherence looks like.
 

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The situations that don't require masks likely aren't being fully factored in: bars and indoor dining, get togethers in private residences, etc. My town has been at a high plateau for about 5 weeks and our health department continues to talk about how bars, indoor dining, and indoor gatherings have been the largest sources of infection per our contact tracing. Once those increase, people then spread it to other adults at home creating clusters of secondary spread. My understanding is that other towns are seeing similar trends. Add that to the fact that I think surveys on this stuff have to be taken with a massive grain of salt and you have your answer (social desirability and the fact that we're terrible about those kinds of frequency estimates are key here). Plus, my state's rural areas have by far the highest infection rates when they should have the lowest because of ease of distancing and based on what I see when driving through at gas stations and restaurants, extremely few people are wearing masks or distancing. National data have been showing similar trends for a month or so now.
I think restaurants and bars are the largest contributor to the rising cases. It’s so silly to require masks to enter a restaurant/bar and then you can take them off as soon as you’re at your table. We don’t dine in restaurants often, but when we have you look around a packed restaurant and bar with no masks in site.
 

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How many people do you think go to a grocery store each day compared to a political rally? Have you been to a MAGA or BLM rally in the last month? Have you been to a grocery store? Post a pic of the next person you actually see at a grocery store without a mask and I'll concede your point.
 

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So if it's just a matter of non-compliance, why now? And why now for Europe? We go months with diminishing case count on both sides of the Atlantic and within the same two week period we have massive jumps. There weren't any changes in social dictates during that time. We didn't say "everythings open!" all at once.
 
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So if it's just a matter of non-compliance, why now? And why now for Europe? We go months with diminishing case count on both sides of the Ocean and within the same two week period we have massive jumps. There weren't any changes in social dictates during that time. We didn't say "everythings open!" all at once.
Same reason there is a "flu season". Outdoor activities turn into indoor activities when the weather gets cold. School is back in session, and you can't tell me those kids aren't mobile virus incubators. They may not be symptomatic, but they have to be spreading that stuff all over the place.
 

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WHO says getting the worsening Covid outbreak under control may require ‘sacrifice for many, many people’
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/26/who-says-stemming-coronavirus-may-rqequire-.html

The World Health Organization warned Monday that some countries may need to shut down their nonessential businesses again as a way to take the “heat” out of their worsening coronavirus outbreaks.


WHO officials said they are still hopeful most countries won’t need to impose nationwide lockdowns, which were imposed by some world leaders earlier in the year as a way to slow the spread of the virus. But as Covid-19 cases now accelerate across the Northern Hemisphere, particularly in the United States and Europe, some countries may need to impose those stricter mitigation measures again, the agency said.

“We’re well behind this virus,” Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of the WHO’s health emergencies program, said during a press conference at the agency’s Geneva headquarters. “We will have to get ahead of this virus, and [that] may require sacrifice for many, many people in terms of their personal lives.”“It may require shutting down and restricting movement and having stay-at-home orders in order to take the heat out of this phase of the pandemic,” he added.
 

Rack

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packed? Are there not limits to capacity?
It really depends on where you are...In Branson last weekend downtown we went to the Branson Café. They were 100% capacity and no one wore mask at the tables, but patrons did when they were "on the move." Hell they had at least one 90 year old (I kid you not, actually if you want to see her you can look her up on google for 60 years on the job at Branson Cafe) waitress and NONE of the employees were wearing a mask. I should have taken a picture...people on the west coast would be SHOCKED. They said they have been open like that for a long time...We did stay and eat but were in sort of a back corner and scooted into our booth all the way to gain some social distance and didn't spend a lot of time in there. I wore my mask as I ordered and so did my wife...but the waitress didn't even have one. Honestly, it kind of shocked me a bit that they are running their business just like always. I'm not sure what to think...I actually heard her tell another table that she's still alive so she's gonna work.
 
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Rack

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So if it's just a matter of non-compliance, why now? And why now for Europe? We go months with diminishing case count on both sides of the Atlantic and within the same two week period we have massive jumps. There weren't any changes in social dictates during that time. We didn't say "everythings open!" all at once.
Does anyone else think it's colder weather that is affecting the surge just as it does with the common cold? I expected FAR less cases in the summer than we had, however, and was hopeful we would already have a vaccine. That's what we need...a vaccine and treatments that work promptly. Even over the counter treatments that work. I would think that's the next step and where we need to be...I'm not convinced that people can or even should lock down...I just don't think it's nearly close to the life saver that would be treatments and vaccines, plus it punishes everyone equally for what I think is limited value. BUT, I'm not too proud to admit I've been wrong on this thing all along...I really thought we would be done with it's impact by now.