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Binman4OSU

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Hope not. That’s supposed to be why we were going to build more rooms. I’m not aware that our mayor did that but they looked at sites. If we didn’t build rooms and they shut us down again I bet he’s glad elections already happened. Btw, what about educating the public to take D and E and boost their immune systems along with other personal health boosting behaviors? Volunteer Personal responsibility is how we beat this...not divisive personal mandates.
last I heard they were looking at setting up a Temp field hospital at the Expo center in Tulsa as part of the surge plan. If they have to implement that plan, I'm not so sure a Lock Down order wouldn't be issued along with it
 

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last I heard they were looking at setting up a Temp field hospital at the Expo center in Tulsa as part of the surge plan. If they have to implement that plan, I'm not so sure a Lock Down order wouldn't be issued along with it
Lock down orders are unacceptable without VERY real bedside reporting proof, why doesn't a reporter go to the covid floor and investigate to make sure like the commenters are asking...why are we surging right before an election day? Is this happening all over the country right before the election? Are they going to attempt to shut down polling places? Inquiring minds want to know...In Tulsa specifically we have a rino mayor controlled by a very leftist billionare...I'm sorry but I don't trust our local governance nor our hospitals systems AT ALL to give us facts without REAL opposition backup. We went down this overreaction mode before when it really wasn't necessary and shut down our economy...Tulsa public schools have NEVER opened...this will not be taken lying down by the community if it's attempted. PLUS they looked at alternative sites for covid units like OSU Tulsa...what happened with that plan? Are we filling those beds? What about my question concerning prevention rather than mitigation?
 

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Lock down orders are unacceptable without VERY real bedside reporting proof, why doesn't a reporter go to the covid floor and investigate to make sure like the commenters are asking...why are we surging right before an election day? Is this happening all over the country right before the election? Are they going to attempt to shut down polling places? Inquiring minds want to know...In Tulsa specifically we have a rino mayor controlled by a very leftist billionare...I'm sorry but I don't trust our local governance nor our hospitals systems AT ALL to give us facts without REAL opposition backup. We went down this overreaction mode before when it really wasn't necessary and shut down our economy...Tulsa public schools have NEVER opened...this will not be taken lying down by the community if it's attempted. PLUS they looked at alternative sites for covid units like OSU Tulsa...what happened with that plan? Are we filling those beds? What about my question concerning prevention rather than mitigation?
Keep an eye on this. The state adopted a 4 Tier Hospitalization surge plan a few weeks ago. They are now having to put it into practice as OKC is moving to Tier 2 and is the first ever to do so. Tulsa has been flirting with the Tier 2 line for a few weeks and is very close to being moved to Tier 2

Pay attention to what the state does with this plan. That will let you know how bad it really is without any kind of Media needs

https://tulsaworld.com/news/state-a...cle_286a9650-1570-11eb-81d6-57e4f51d1cd7.html


he Oklahoma City area will remain in Tier 2 status so long as its COVID-19 bed census is between 15% and 20% for three consecutive days.

Tier 2 status calls for hospitals, when bed capacity no longer exists in their region, to transfer a patient to the next region that can provide appropriate care, in addition to maintaining any internal surge plans initiated at Tier 1 status.

Tier 3 status is reached when COVID-19 patients are using 20% to 40% of available beds.
Tier 3 status calls for elective surgeries to be postponed and patient staffing ratios to change to accommodate higher patient demand.

The fourth tier, which calls for the elimination of all nonemergency surgeries and other measures, is triggered when the number of people with the virus is 40% or higher.
 

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Binman - I just checked the Tulsa County website and we had large admissions the 15th of the month but have had declining admissions the past four days. I'll keep a look out on it, I'm sorry I'm so paranoid...but 2020 is 2020 and I'm a big sceptic this year for the first time in my life...believing conspiracy and all sort of stuff because nothing seems to make logical sense. I love the information you give...it just sometimes sets me off.
 

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Lock down orders are unacceptable without VERY real bedside reporting proof, why doesn't a reporter go to the covid floor and investigate to make sure like the commenters are asking...why are we surging right before an election day? Is this happening all over the country right before the election? Are they going to attempt to shut down polling places? Inquiring minds want to know...In Tulsa specifically we have a rino mayor controlled by a very leftist billionare...I'm sorry but I don't trust our local governance nor our hospitals systems AT ALL to give us facts without REAL opposition backup. We went down this overreaction mode before when it really wasn't necessary and shut down our economy...Tulsa public schools have NEVER opened...this will not be taken lying down by the community if it's attempted. PLUS they looked at alternative sites for covid units like OSU Tulsa...what happened with that plan? Are we filling those beds? What about my question concerning prevention rather than mitigation?
Dude. It's been 8 months. Over 250K dead in the US. Over 1M dead around the world. What is it going to take for you to take off those conspiracy glasses? And I'd really like an answer if you're willing to give it. In @Rack mind, what does it take for you to think this isn't some big attempt to oust Trump?

It's a real virus. It's a real disease. It kills real people, and it doesn't happen on a timeframe that's convenient for anyone.
 

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Dude. It's been 8 months. Over 250K dead in the US. Over 1M dead around the world. What is it going to take for you to take off those conspiracy glasses? And I'd really like an answer if you're willing to give it. In @Rack mind, what does it take for you to think this isn't some big attempt to oust Trump?

It's a real virus. It's a real disease. It kills real people, and it doesn't happen on a timeframe that's convenient for anyone.
I'm willing...I know it's real...but I don't trust the numbers. I don't think it's a mass conspiracy but I understand those who do because of timing and our crazy media and unrest (so it enters my mind and I want reassurance that it's not, like you gave). I just want us to be level headed in our reactions and I don't think we were in Oklahoma early on when the Mayor spread fear, closed businesses, and locked us down when we had very few cases and really nothing to fear yet. I also don't think we have 250K who have died in the USA from Covid (I know Binman thinks it's more and I think it's less)...complication brought on by the addition of Covid as a comorbidity possibly makes it that high..I don't trust the NE numbers, they are way high per 100K if you look at them in comparison to all other areas both nationally and internationally. For some reason, IMHO, they (politicians and hospitals in the NE cities) inflated them (certainly my theory not known fact). All that being said, I understand want we have, I work in a hospital and deal with it daily (not directly with covid patients mind you)...

I've had an employee in the hospital with it and family members recover from it...the family members say it's no big deal, the employees says it almost killed her (diabetic). I'm, like you and everyone else, just trying to make sense of the world....in a senseless time...and mourning the death of our former "reality." Luckily I'm not mourning the death of a family member yet.

As far as Trump and my thoughts on that, it / Politics dominates our news cycle, I do think the other crisis of the year was politically manufactured (i.e. social racial unrest) to create division...when it spilled over into violence the media coverage stopped and it seemingly quieted down some...once again it's up on the radar and the polls were turning...just weird coincidences (once again my theory not factual data)? Covid...I honestly don't know, but I don't blame people for questioning "reality" these days.

Once again, I'm just Joe public dude spilling my confused thoughts. I'm going a bit crazy when I read headlines about possible lockdowns and such so I guess I need to stop reading the news again...I'm more healthy that way.
 
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My kids went to Wal Mart yesterday. They were in and out in about 10 min. In that time they decided to count the number of people wearing mask in Wal Mart (which has signs on the door saying masks required). 48 people not wearing mask they said
This is crazy but it’s not the norm..... I live in a metro area with more than the population of many states. Come to Dallas pick the large store I’ll give you $100 for every non mask you give me one dollar for every masked person.... you’ll go broke. Also the whole world is struggling now and the argument can’t be that the entire world is fighting masks because of a trump tweet....because the argument was “if we would just do like France/Germany/Spain” just a couple of weeks ago. They don’t work like they said they do......they don’t hurt a thing either. But the “if people would just wear a mask” narrative is losing ground. The world is wearing a mask. Maybe not rural Oklahoma but the other 7.7999 billion are and it’s spreading faster than ever. There may not be a magic bullet for this thing.
 
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One of the things that amazes me is how far behind in testing many of the large European countries are at this point when compared to the US (40%).
France 22%
Italy 24%
Germany 24%
Netherlands 17%

Belgium and UK are at 40% or higher and Spain is 36%. Some of the smaller Euro countries are under 15% in testing.
It’s almost like we aren’t collecting data or testing the public in a comparable way
 

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It’s almost like we aren’t collecting data or testing the public in a comparable way
This happened about 2 weeks ago in France. French doctors held a walkout today.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-...ls-as-part-of-COVID-19-inquiry/4121602778891/

Police conducted morning raids at the home of former Prime Minister Edouard Philippe, health hinister Olivier Veran and former health minister Agnes Buzyn. Officials also searched Veran's office.
Authorities also searched the home of Sibeth Ndiaye, former spokeswoman for President Emmanuel Macron, officials said.

The investigation of public officials is targeted in scope to examine specific aspects of the government's COVID-19 response -- including their perceived failure to order workplace protections in a timely manner, provide face masks and coordinate testing early in the pandemic.
 

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This is crazy but it’s not the norm..... I live in a metro area with more than the population of many states. Come to Dallas pick the large store I’ll give you $100 for every non mask you give me one dollar for every masked person.... you’ll go broke. Also the whole world is struggling now and the argument can’t be that the entire world is fighting masks because of a trump tweet....because the argument was “if we would just do like France/Germany/Spain” just a couple of weeks ago. They don’t work like they said they do......they don’t hurt a thing either. But the “if people would just wear a mask” narrative is losing ground. The world is wearing a mask. Maybe not rural Oklahoma but the other 7.7999 billion are and it’s spreading faster than ever. There may not be a magic bullet for this thing.
it's not the norm in Tulsa either...
 

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This is crazy but it’s not the norm..... I live in a metro area with more than the population of many states. Come to Dallas pick the large store I’ll give you $100 for every non mask you give me one dollar for every masked person.... you’ll go broke. Also the whole world is struggling now and the argument can’t be that the entire world is fighting masks because of a trump tweet....because the argument was “if we would just do like France/Germany/Spain” just a couple of weeks ago. They don’t work like they said they do......they don’t hurt a thing either. But the “if people would just wear a mask” narrative is losing ground. The world is wearing a mask. Maybe not rural Oklahoma but the other 7.7999 billion are and it’s spreading faster than ever. There may not be a magic bullet for this thing.
And there it is. I think you've held this as a possibility since the beginning. So have I. That's why I fought so hard against restrictions early on. I got so sick of hearing "just until the vaccine" or "let the hospitals gear up" as an estimated end point. That's not a solution. People need to understand that we might not be able to develop an effective vaccine... ever. I know that natural herd immunity is cruel and it's painful, but the dirty secret that no official will say publicly right now is that we might not have a choice. The hospitals and governments have had a chance to build stockpiles and develop emergency plans only for us to be at panic levels again. What happens next spring? Next fall? What about five years from now? Think we can have an annual 'coronavirus stimulus month'? Think we can afford that?

I worry that we're now choosing between 2 million dead or 2 million dead with a bankrupt economy and the misery that goes with it. Somebody give me some hope, please.
 

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And there it is. I think you've held this as a possibility since the beginning. So have I. That's why I fought so hard against restrictions early on. I got so sick of hearing "just until the vaccine" or "let the hospitals gear up" as an estimated end point. That's not a solution. People need to understand that we might not be able to develop an effective vaccine... ever. I know that natural herd immunity is cruel and it's painful, but the dirty secret that no official will say publicly right now is that we might not have a choice. The hospitals and governments have had a chance to build stockpiles and develop emergency plans only for us to be at panic levels again. What happens next spring? Next fall? What about five years from now? Think we can have an annual 'coronavirus stimulus month'? Think we can afford that?

I worry that we're now choosing between 2 million dead or 2 million dead with a bankrupt economy and the misery that goes with it. Somebody give me some hope, please.
I’m guessing you and your close family members have no comorbidities.