Covid-19

[cableok]

How many million dollar hospital bills can we afford?

How many $2T stimulus packages can we afford? How long can people feed their families with unemployment double what it was pre-COVID in some states?

I understand your loved ones were tragically impacted by the virus so I don’t want my post to sound flippant (not at all my intention). But at what level of vaccination are you going to feel safe to go forward?

I can’t say with absolute certainty that there won’t be a variant of the virus that will return at a growth we saw previously. But I can’t say absolute certainty about much so I choose to look forward rather than back.

I am taking precautions, my family of four have all had both shots ... I am looking forward to a relatively normal summer. And, most importantly for those on this board, join 50k fans in BPS on Sept 4th.

 

[wrenhal]

1300 new cases and 1700 new deaths added to Oklahoma COVID numbers today. This is the second big adjustment up in Deaths

https://twitter.com/tulsaworld/status/1379878415399014404

Are we supposed to pretend like this wasn't a mistake now?

I read this is a lab not updating properly. New software had been setup in December I think. Since then, no updates went through from them.

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[wrenhal]

https://twitter.com/ReutersScience/status/1379745972394332161

Almost 1/3 of the general population also.

https://globalizationandhealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12992-020-00589-w

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[Duke Silver]

What if he's right?

So far. Every study, he’s not

 

[RxCowboy]

So far. Every study, he’s not

He isn't? Really?

 

[Duke Silver]

He isn't? Really?

What are you referring to specifically

 

[RxCowboy]

How many $2T stimulus packages can we afford? How long can people feed their families with unemployment double what it was pre-COVID in some states?

31 million cases and counting in the US. If 1% of those end up with million dollar hospital bills that's $310 trillion. Makes those $2T stimulus packages look like chump change. Then there's the lost productivity from all those people lingering in a hospital for a month and then dying anyway - that alone would tank the economy worse than anything else in our history. Let's say 1% don't end up with million dollar bills, but look at smaller percentages:

0.1% = $31T
0.01% = $3.1T

If 1/100th of a percent has of the 31 M has a million dollar hospital bill then we approach $4T. By preventing the million dollar hospital bills we've paid for the 2 x $2T stimulus packages.

Brings the phrase "penny-wise and pound foolish" to mind.

 

[RxCowboy]

What are you referring to specifically

You made a blanket statement. Back it up.

 

[RxCowboy]

Almost 1/3 of the general population also.

https://globalizationandhealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12992-020-00589-w

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Which makes a point that I made months and months ago, that we don't know what the long-term effects are going to be.

 

[RxCowboy]

You mean this NPR article?



https://www.npr.org/2021/03/25/980035707/lying-through-truth-misleading-facts-fuel-vaccine-misinformation#:~:text=Among%20the%20more%20than%2085,suffering%20from%20other%20health%20conditions

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Among the more than 85 million people inthe U.S. who have now received at least one vaccination shot, less than .0018% of shot recipients have died sometime afterward.

We vaccinated the most vulnerable first. That also means that they are vulnerable to other things.

 

[cowboyinexile]

Almost 1/3 of the general population also.

https://globalizationandhealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12992-020-00589-w

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This. The past year has had such a negative impact on everyone's mental health that even the most emotionally stable among us are going to be impacted.

 

[cableok]

31 million cases and counting in the US. If 1% of those end up with million dollar hospital bills that's $310 trillion. Makes those $2T stimulus packages look like chump change. Then there's the lost productivity from all those people lingering in a hospital for a month and then dying anyway - that alone would tank the economy worse than anything else in our history. Let's say 1% don't end up with million dollar bills, but look at smaller percentages:

0.1% = $31T
0.01% = $3.1T

If 1/100th of a percent has of the 31 M has a million dollar hospital bill then we approach $4T. By preventing the million dollar hospital bills we've paid for the 2 x $2T stimulus packages.

Brings the phrase "penny-wise and pound foolish" to mind.

I hope you didn’t study math at OSU.

You might want to re-do your figures (hint: change your "T" to a "B" and your calculation will be correct).

Your post reminded me when MSMBC’s Brian Williams had a similar math error on-air.
https://twitter.com/jeffmgould/status/1235844527480397826?s=21

 

[Duke Silver]

You made a blanket statement. Back it up.

I didn’t. Fauci did. To this point he has been false. One of there days we will have a variant that the vaccine misses. But so far, not now

 

[TheMonkey]

I didn’t. Fauci did. To this point he has been false. One of there days we will have a variant that the vaccine misses. But so far, not now

This is getting ridiculous. Specifically, what has he been wrong about?

 

[cowboyinexile]

This is getting ridiculous. Specifically, what has he been wrong about?

It's his thing. I have a hypothesis that BA and Roman/Duke are the same person but it's unlikely. Plausible but their views on the vaccination are night and day so unlikely. But possible.

 

[LS1 Z28]

This is getting ridiculous. Specifically, what has he been wrong about?

It isn't the things he's been wrong about that bother me, it's the things he's lied about. He's admitted to misleading the public about masks and vaccination rates. I want a public health official to tell me the truth, not what they think I need to hear.

 

[Bay Area Poke]

You mean this NPR article?



https://www.npr.org/2021/03/25/980035707/lying-through-truth-misleading-facts-fuel-vaccine-misinformation#:~:text=Among%20the%20more%20than%2085,suffering%20from%20other%20health%20conditions

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Among the more than 85 million people in the U.S. who have now received at least one vaccination shot, less than .0018% of shot recipients have died sometime afterward.

It wasn’t an article but I think the below is what was being discussed:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...s-diagnosed-covid-3-dead-michigan/7100759002/

 

[TheMonkey]

It isn't the things he's been wrong about that bother me, it's the things he's lied about. He's admitted to misleading the public about masks and vaccination rates. I want a public health official to tell me the truth, not what they think I need to hear.

Is there a source for this? I’m tired of the lack of citation.

 

[LS1 Z28]

Is there a source for this? I’m tired of the lack of citation.

Direct quote on masks:
“Very early on in the pandemic, in the very early months, before we even had many cases, there was a shortage of PPE and masks for health care providers who needed them desperately since they were putting their lives and their safety on the line every day. So the feeling was that people who were wanting to have masks in the community, namely just people out in the street, might be hoarding masks and making the shortage of masks even greater. In that context, we said that we did not recommend masks.”

Direct quote on herd immunity vaccination estimates:
"When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent," Fauci said. "Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, 'I can nudge this up a bit,' so I went to 80, 85."

 

[cowboyinexile]

It wasn’t an article but I think the below is what was being discussed:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...s-diagnosed-covid-3-dead-michigan/7100759002/

So out of roughly 3 million vaccinated in Michigan less than .01% had symptoms and 1 in a million died? Those kind of numbers make Jonas Salk envious. I know you like to push an agenda but those results are the opposite of what you are trying to do here.