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What will be the results of todays vote?

  • Trump wins big

    Votes: 11 14.1%
  • Trump wins small

    Votes: 12 15.4%
  • No decision by tomorrow morning

    Votes: 29 37.2%
  • Biden wins small

    Votes: 17 21.8%
  • Biden wins big

    Votes: 9 11.5%

  • Total voters
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Statues of racists. Placed by racists. For racist purposes. That is what you are defending.
So, if because you are defending clear racism and I am pointing that out it makes you feel that I called you a racist, then so be it. I never once said, "You are a racist." But, you are clearly, 100% objectively defending the acts of racists. That is simply factual information. There is no opinion to it.

If ever in the future there is a magazine of pedophilia, made by pedophiles for the purpose of pedophilia, and let's say for some completely unintelligible reason I decide to defend it by calling it "art" or "we can label it" or some other bombastically bad idea. If in explaining how incredibly bad my ideas on the subject are you or other people make me feel like I am a pedophile with my multi-page defense of the products of pedophiles and comparing it to non-pedophile magazines, I will not hold that against you. I will not claim "pedophilia is now the sin of all American sins" because we are discussing it.

Interesting your concern about sin with this. Obviously, your conscience is getting the best of you. If we were talking about taxes and I brought up racism, you would have a point. But, you are defending blatant racism. Me pointing that out is not bringing racism up as "the sin of all sins of America." You are simply doing even more rationalizing of your unethical stance. You really need to look inside yourself and decide why this is important to you? Why are racist statues of confederates created by racists something you so passionately want to maintain that you would post about it over and over and over again?
I like your pedophilia analogy. Similar would be if someone was raped, the rapist was caught and prosecuted, and after the court case was decided a group of disgruntled rapists built a statue of the offender in the victim's neighborhood in order to harass/intimidate them.

Side note: Defending the statues isn't racist, but the statues were 100% built by racists for racist purposes. Put them in a museum where the people who claim to care so much about our history will never go see them.
 

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Statues of racists. Placed by racists. For racist purposes. That is what you are defending.
So, if because you are defending clear racism and I am pointing that out it makes you feel that I called you a racist, then so be it. I never once said, "You are a racist." But, you are clearly, 100% objectively defending the acts of racists. That is simply factual information. There is no opinion to it.

If ever in the future there is a magazine of pedophilia, made by pedophiles for the purpose of pedophilia, and let's say for some completely unintelligible reason I decide to defend it by calling it "art" or "we can label it" or some other bombastically bad idea. If in explaining how incredibly bad my ideas on the subject are you or other people make me feel like I am a pedophile with my multi-page defense of the products of pedophiles and comparing it to non-pedophile magazines, I will not hold that against you. I will not claim "pedophilia is now the sin of all American sins" because we are discussing it.

Interesting your concern about sin with this. Obviously, your conscience is getting the best of you. If we were talking about taxes and I brought up racism, you would have a point. But, you are defending blatant racism. Me pointing that out is not bringing racism up as "the sin of all sins of America." You are simply doing even more rationalizing of your unethical stance. You really need to look inside yourself and decide why this is important to you? Why are racist statues of confederates created by racists something you so passionately want to maintain that you would post about it over and over and over again?
Are Columbus, Washington, and Jefferson confederates? How about US Grant? I didn't know that bit of history, oh wise one.

What I'm "defending" against is the blanket dismantling of American History in the name of a sin of the past...However, I've also defended the legal means of removal of statues placed in the way you describe...I do NOT agree that all of them are or where placed for those intentions.. that are being removed and vandalized. We have to be careful to not paint with a broad brush because the little mermaid and George Washington / Thomas Jefferson aren't primarily racist pigs.
 
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Here's the way I see it, many people from the south believe that the Civil War was fought over state rights and not over slavery. That's why they have no problem flying the confederate flag and putting up statues of people like Robert E Lee.

I very much disagree with that theory, but it isn't my place to tell someone else what to believe. The members of the southern communities where these statues reside should have the opportunity to decide for themselves whether or not they should be removed. It isn't my place or anyone else's to force them to do it.

The First Amendment is a wonderful thing, but at times it produces undesirable results. That's a small price to pay though, because freedom matters a lot more than someone's feelings.
 

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No, I just thought you gave a bad example as a statue that the "left" is leaving up.

I just think defending the confederate memorials is kind of pointless. I think CableOK hit it on the head. Valid points on both sides. But clearly some of the memorials are more honorary and offensive than others. If they are figures from the civil war or after who defended slavery... IMO move them to a museum. That is how you draw the line IMO. Before that time slavery was part of the US. After it was not.

All good if you disagree, just try to understand how this could be sensitive to people. Vandalism is bad but I would take a statue getting defaced every day of the week over someone's life being taken.
The defacing of history by the changing tides of culture is what I was talking about ...not blatant statues placed to bring or keep a specific race of people down. This is the rub, who decides and how far do "we the people" go? When is it too far and when is it not far enough? We have to be careful when removing oppression not to oppress others in the process.
 
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Are Columbus, Washington, and Jefferson confederates? How about US Grant? I didn't know that bit of history, oh wise one.

What I'm "defending" against is the blanket dismantling of American History in the name of a sin of the past...However, I've also defended the legal means of removal of statues placed in the way you describe...I do NOT agree that all of them are or where placed for those intentions.. that are being removed and vandalized. We have to be careful to not paint with a broad brush because the little mermaid and George Washington / Thomas Jefferson aren't primarily racist pigs.
How has this "dismantling of American History" affected you personally? You seem to take it really personally so I am assuming your rights must have been infringed?

Oklahoma had one statue and one monument removed in Tahlequah by the Cherokee Nation. It was on Cherokee Nation property and was put in place by the Daughters of the Confederacy. It honored a Cherokee Chief who had a loose affiliation to the confederacy. It was removed by the Cherokee Nation with a statement.

For me Denver had one statue toppled that "honored" the "battle" of the Sand Creek Massacre and the union troops. Also had another removed by the city to prevent damage. Also had a Christopher Columbus statue damaged that was put there in 1970. Non of these worry me in the least. I would encourage law enforcement to try to arrest the vandals for petty property crimes.
 
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The defacing of history by the changing tides of culture is what I was talking about ...not blatant statues placed to bring or keep a specific race of people down. This is the rub, who decides and how far do "we the people" go? When is it too far and when is it not far enough? We have to be careful when removing oppression not to oppress others in the process.
When a Christopher Columbus statue is vandalized. Who is being oppressed?
 

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Are Columbus, Washington, and Jefferson confederates? How about US Grant? I didn't know that bit of history, oh wise one.

What I'm "defending" against is the blanket dismantling of American History in the name of a sin of the past...However, I've also defended the legal means of removal of statues placed in the way you describe...I do NOT agree that all of them are or where placed for those intentions.. that are being removed and vandalized. We have to be careful to not paint with a broad brush because the little mermaid and George Washington / Thomas Jefferson aren't primarily racist pigs.
Nice try attempting to change the subject. You went from crazy rationalization to strawman. When exactly did Washington and Jefferson fight against our nation? When were they confederates?

I clearly stated earlier that we were only talking about the confederate statues placed by groups during the Jim Crow era not all statutes that some groups of idiots have decided to tear down that were not erected for that purpose. Either you are trying to change the subject because you realize you are saying things that sound horrible or you don't even bother to read my posts before hitting the lame "dislike" buttons.

These statues were put up decades after the fact to memorialize racism. Anyone looking at the intent of the real memorials vs these statues when erected can see the obvious difference.

But again, the truth doesn't matter much for those seeking excuses to continue to publicly honor those that fought against our nation for the side of slavery and racism.
These confederate statues are run-of-the-mill mass-produced memorials designed to foster Jim Crow era policies, not amazing works of human achievement.

Like kiddie porn, serial killing, rape, and many other things, slavery is not to be "tolerated." Memorials to people who are infamous for their fight for slavery is not to be tolerated.
 

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How has this "dismantling of American History" affected you personally? You seem to take it really personally so I am assuming your rights must have been infringed?

Oklahoma had one statue and one monument removed in Tahlequah by the Cherokee Nation. It was on Cherokee Nation property and was put in place by the Daughters of the Confederacy. It honored a Cherokee Chief who had a loose affiliation to the confederacy. It was removed by the Cherokee Nation with a statement.

For me Denver had one statue toppled that "honored" the "battle" of the Sand Creek Massacre and the union troops. Also had another removed by the city to prevent damage. Also had a Christopher Columbus statue damaged that was put there in 1970. Non of these worry me in the least. I would encourage law enforcement to try to arrest the vandals for petty property crimes.
I agree with you that vandals should be arrested for the property crimes they commit. There is NO excuse for it. For example if I don't like someone's Coexist sticker on their car...I can agree to disagree with the concept, but I have absolutely NO right in anyway to remove their sticker or even rip down a street sign that says "Pride" Avenue on a public street. That's just lawless behavior and wrong, a personal and public property violation, and it's unloving too boot. These are similar things and should be protected and prosecuted no matter the political leanings or "feelers" of the one doing the property damage, that's the point. I want our children and grandchildren to live in a world where they can have opposition viewpoints without fear of reprisal and "coexist" in love even with opposition viewpoints. That should concern everyone.
 

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Nice try attempting to change the subject. You went from crazy rationalization to strawman. When exactly did Washington and Jefferson fight against our nation? When were they confederates?

I clearly stated earlier that we were only talking about the confederate statues placed by groups during the Jim Crow era not all statutes that some groups of idiots have decided to tear down that were not erected for that purpose. Either you are trying to change the subject because you realize you are saying things that sound horrible or you don't even bother to read my posts before hitting the lame "dislike" buttons.
We are talking about two different things...I'm over it.
 

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We are talking about two different things...I'm over it.
That is our last conversation then. I was very clear about what I was talking about as quoted above. Everyone else completely understood the subject but you. You responded with dislikes and complaints instead of saying something like "I'm not talking about confederate statues" when I repeatedly referred to them.

You are either changing your story or didn't even bother to read my posts before all your melodramatic whining about being called a racist. Either way, you are not worth discussing things with being that ridiculously disingenuous. Multiple pages of discussing racist confederate statues to say "That isn't what I am talking about." What a jerk move.
 

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But at least we will have an adult for President.
If "child like" is

No new wars.
Historic low unemployment for minorities and women (until pandemic)
Fewer rules and regulations that strangle small businesses
Better border security
Reformed Bidens institutionally racist criminal justice policy. (Obama/Biden had 8 years to fix it, nothing)
Historic Peace deals in the Middle East

then I'm in.
 

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Can anyone explain the major shift in votes after they shut down the system and then all of a sudden nationwide Biden caught up all at once in one block of votes simultaneously across multiple states.

Is this even statistically possible? Has it ever happened before.

https://votepatternanalysis.substac...Vr_R64Raki-d68URDI4n3EnwFNKCqn_XzFIYntgoonOjQ

I'm not saying these numbers are wrong, but how do you explain it.
 

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Stupid about AGW!!
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Can anyone explain the major shift in votes after they shut down the system and then all of a sudden nationwide Biden caught up all at once in one block of votes simultaneously across multiple states.

Is this even statistically possible? Has it ever happened before.

https://votepatternanalysis.substac...Vr_R64Raki-d68URDI4n3EnwFNKCqn_XzFIYntgoonOjQ

I'm not saying these numbers are wrong, but how do you explain it.
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Can anyone explain the major shift in votes after they shut down the system and then all of a sudden nationwide Biden caught up all at once in one block of votes simultaneously across multiple states.

Is this even statistically possible? Has it ever happened before.

https://votepatternanalysis.substac...Vr_R64Raki-d68URDI4n3EnwFNKCqn_XzFIYntgoonOjQ

I'm not saying these numbers are wrong, but how do you explain it.
Oh-god! When has this ever happened before?!?!? Surely no one would ever release blocks of votes that were mailed in and maybe counted in the background. There is also no scale here to determine anything. You should lay off the Ghoulianai hair dye juice.

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Oh-god! When has this ever happened before?!?!? Surely no one would ever release blocks of votes that were mailed in and maybe counted in the background. There is also no scale here to determine anything. You should lay off the Ghoulianai hair dye juice.

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Cities dropping votes is apparently fraud to MAGA.

Unfortunately the US system has really not given us any clarity into this. Other than the 36 loses team Trump has taken in the court system of course.
 

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Can anyone explain the major shift in electoral votes from 2016 to 2020 across several states?

Has this ever happened before?

I'm not saying these numbers are wrong, but how do you explain it?
 
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