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What will be the results of todays vote?

  • Trump wins big

    Votes: 11 14.1%
  • Trump wins small

    Votes: 12 15.4%
  • No decision by tomorrow morning

    Votes: 29 37.2%
  • Biden wins small

    Votes: 17 21.8%
  • Biden wins big

    Votes: 9 11.5%

  • Total voters
    78
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Binman4OSU

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Trump delivers departing message on Youtube. It is of note that McConnell blamed some of the violence at the capitol building on Trump today.

"This week we inaugurate a new administration and pray for its success in keeping America safe and prosperous," President Trump said, on his recorded video on the White House YouTube page.
President Trump thanked his family, the family of Vice President Mike Pence and his cabinet and staff members at the White House, as well as the U.S. Secret Service. He also issued a statement of gratitude to the American people, for the chance to serve in office.
"Thank you for this extraordinary privilege, and that's what it has been, a great privilege and a great honor. We must never forget that while Americans will always have our disagreements, we are nation of incredible, decent, faithful and peace-loving citizens who all want our country to thrive and flourish, to be very successful and good," President Trump said.
President Trump issued a call for unity, noting and condemning the violence that occurred from the siege on the U.S. Capitol on January 6.
"All Americans were horrified by the assault on our Capitol. Political violence is an attack on everything we cherish as Americans, it can never be tolerated. Now, more than ever we must unify around our shared values," President Trump said.
 

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Sounds like you have decided to get behind a federal education department making sure that state and local governments educate all American kids correctly? And, you have also gotten behind the EPA making sure that our environment is protected? As long as those agencies give states leeway in how to enact their changes, we should all get behind those things or it is "sad" right?
So you don't want to have an actual discussion.. Got it..
 

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Even the people that vaguely claim they want "small government" are very frequently for a big government but only a big government of things they personally like.
We believe that there are certain areas that government should stick with and others they shouldn't. There is no such thing as no government Republicans, so sorry if you can't understand that there are things we think the feds can do.
 

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So you don't want to have an actual discussion.. Got it..
Pointing out the glaring inconsistencies in a person's position is an actual discussion. Particularly when that person is arrogantly claiming that anyone that disagrees with his inconsistent position is sad.

At the point you can decide if you want an expansive federal government that tells states what to do or not we can have a discussion. But, if you only want an expansive federal government for issues that you happen to feel strongly about while still railing against big government when it is something that others care about, then you're not having a discussion anyway, you are simply wanting to get your way.
 

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We believe that there are certain areas that government should stick with and others they shouldn't. There is no such thing as no government Republicans, so sorry if you can't understand that there are things we think the feds can do.
And, in the past, that was based on the constitution. But, the constitution is quite clear that this is the state's role. So, now you don't care about that anymore. Not to mention the genesis of all of this concern is a lying president who lost but wanted to win at any cost to our democracy. Sad, yes.
 
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"Under the doctrine of state multiculturalism, we have encouraged different cultures to live separate lives, apart from each other and the mainstream." -- David Cameron

"[Multiculturalism] is a failure." -- Nicolas Sarkozy

"Multiculturalism leads to parallel societies, and therefore multiculturalism remains a grand delusion." -- Angela Merkel

"Our model is universalist, not multiculturalist." -- Emmanuel Macron
“ELE.” - Jackie Moon
 

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https://twitter.com/NBCPolitics/status/1351898696590438403
The Keystone pipeline was going to be really good for Oklahoma...Paris accord is a big group hug that means little else, except for a bunch of wasted money that doesn't focus as much on the problem children as it does on the countries who are NOT mass polluters or are working to fix things anyway...also a national top down mask at the end of a pandemic is purely a political statement that will face legal and local challenges all over the nation (in other words a waste of time). Not that I have a problem with state and local mask mandates, I don't they have a real place...otherwise on these first few days...meh.
 
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The Keystone pipeline was going to be really good for Oklahoma...Paris accord is a big group hug that means little else, except for a bunch of wasted money that does focus as much on the problem children as it does on the countries who are mass polluters or are working to fix things anyway...also a national top down mask at the end of a pandemic is purely a political statement that will face legal and local challenges all over the nation (in other words a waste of time). Not that I have a problem with state and local mask mandates, I don't they have a real place...otherwise on these first few days...meh.
END OF A PANDEMIC?
 

Rack

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"Under the doctrine of state multiculturalism, we have encouraged different cultures to live separate lives, apart from each other and the mainstream." -- David Cameron

"[Multiculturalism] is a failure." -- Nicolas Sarkozy

"Multiculturalism leads to parallel societies, and therefore multiculturalism remains a grand delusion." -- Angela Merkel

"Our model is universalist, not multiculturalist." -- Emmanuel Macron
This is an interesting discussion for another day...BUT...it is STILL a very interesting one.

Can we all agree that inclusion of all diverse groups in the ever evolving American Dream is the goal of all (at least MOST) of us despite our political differences?

We can call it multiculturalism, but it's more aptly defined as inclusion.

We are seeing a ton of attempted cultural reshaping going on these days, and when we see this we will inevitably see a change in the definition of what it means to be an American and to achieve the American Dream. We shouldn't have a problem with embracing all types of people in the American Dream, but it's ok to question the cultural tactics and direction of changes that are being driven. Not that they have evil intent, because I don't believe they do have that, but because it's interesting to study social change. It's incumbent on a society to embrace and preserve the positives of it's past YET still make progress into to a loving future. This is a balance.

One of the biggest real world areas we are seeing this hard drive for cultural change/progress/inclusion is in our entertainment industry and commercials. Just watch any commercial today and you will notice it's undertones of social and societal change that are being fed non stop to the American public. Most of this is good and aimed at justice and peace, but the speed and force at which it is being employed can be troubling and off-putting to those with more traditional values, which also have a place and should be preserved. The key is finding balance, and that's hard to achieve when industry starts to become as active an agent in social justice as is parts of it's government.

Once again, a long discussion on another day would be a good one.
 

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END OF A PANDEMIC?
Damn straight! We have a vaccine and we are nearing the end...we better be anyway. In six months this SHOULD be a thing of our past. In Oklahoma we have given over 200K shots and had over 350K cases...with a population of 4 million that means we very basically have about 550K known people who should currently have some form of immunity. Once we get to 70-75% herd immunity we should be golden...this doesn't mean that we are currently golden...just that we should be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
 
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