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What will be the results of todays vote?

  • Trump wins big

    Votes: 11 15.5%
  • Trump wins small

    Votes: 12 16.9%
  • No decision by tomorrow morning

    Votes: 27 38.0%
  • Biden wins small

    Votes: 15 21.1%
  • Biden wins big

    Votes: 6 8.5%

  • Total voters
    71

CocoCincinnati

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I’m a Republican and I hate seeing how he has twisted the party into his own distorted personality. I’m holding onto hope that we can restore the conservative principles the party was built upon. Only time will tell.
What exactly did he twist? A party claiming to be fiscally responsible that never was? A party claiming to support small government that never did? A party promising to repeal the aca that had zero intention of ever doing it?

I too hope that conservative ideals can one day return to the Republican party but let's be honest, those ideals were abandoned long before Trump came along. If the GOP had actually followed those ideals, Trump could never have won the primary. As I've said a thousand times already, Trump is a symptom, not the sickness.

Those same Republicans are now jumping on the Biden bandwagon instead of the libertarian...showing that they have absolutely no intention of returning to conservative principles....maybe if Trump wins again they'll start to understand that the base is pissed off at THEM and if they want to be relevant going forward they need to return to the party platform.
 
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What exactly did he twist? A party claiming to be fiscally responsible that never was? A party claiming to support small government that never did? A party promising to repeal the aca that had zero intention of ever doing it?

I too hope that conservative ideals can one day return to the Republican party but let's be honest, those ideals were abandoned long before Trump came along. If the GOP had actually followed those ideals, Trump could never have won the primary. As I've said a thousand times already, Trump is a symptom, not the sickness.

Those same Republicans are now jumping on the Biden bandwagon instead of the libertarian...showing that they have absolutely no intention of returning to conservative principles....maybe if Trump wins again they'll start to understand that the base is pissed off at THEM and if they want to be relevant going forward they need to return to the party platform.
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Honestly, until Trump won, I thought it would be a very long time before the Republicans won the presidency again and maybe never. The demographics were not favorable and their candidates were awful. Trump will get previously unseen levels of support from non-white voters in the election. We desperately need alternatives to the current 2 party system and the libertarians ain't it, or the greens, etc..
 
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What exactly did he twist? A party claiming to be fiscally responsible that never was? A party claiming to support small government that never did? A party promising to repeal the aca that had zero intention of ever doing it?

I too hope that conservative ideals can one day return to the Republican party but let's be honest, those ideals were abandoned long before Trump came along. If the GOP had actually followed those ideals, Trump could never have won the primary. As I've said a thousand times already, Trump is a symptom, not the sickness.

Those same Republicans are now jumping on the Biden bandwagon instead of the libertarian...showing that they have absolutely no intention of returning to conservative principles....maybe if Trump wins again they'll start to understand that the base is pissed off at THEM and if they want to be relevant going forward they need to return to the party platform.
I think people forget as well that the office of the presidency is not a dictatorship. You can get a true small government conservative like Reagan in there and the budget will continue to balloon because he has to play ball with the big government pols in Congress in order to get the items on his wishlist. And then you look at Trump’s first two years where the R’s had both chambers and literally got nothing done outside of tax cuts. So it didn’t really matter what Trump was or wasn’t because he couldn’t get anything done even with his own party in control. The only way the Fed govt gets gutted is if term limits are introduced. There’s too much power in pulling those budget strings.
 

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What exactly did he twist? A party claiming to be fiscally responsible that never was? A party claiming to support small government that never did? A party promising to repeal the aca that had zero intention of ever doing it?

I too hope that conservative ideals can one day return to the Republican party but let's be honest, those ideals were abandoned long before Trump came along. If the GOP had actually followed those ideals, Trump could never have won the primary. As I've said a thousand times already, Trump is a symptom, not the sickness.

Those same Republicans are now jumping on the Biden bandwagon instead of the libertarian...showing that they have absolutely no intention of returning to conservative principles....maybe if Trump wins again they'll start to understand that the base is pissed off at THEM and if they want to be relevant going forward they need to return to the party platform.
The hyperbolic response is “What HASN’T he twisted?” I’ve addressed this many times in this forum. Everything from constitutional authority, checks and balances, campaign finance violations, placating to evangelicals while being a moral wasteland, leveraging QAnon, labeling anything negative about him in the media as “fake news,” foreign relations, Russia, Ukraine, the list goes on and on. We could get into the weeds about all these issues, but I’m not interested in that.

Help me understand your point though. The GOP has wandered from their conservative principles, so the answer is a president who has no principles? By supporting someone even further from their mores, we’re going to being the party back to it’s origins? Seems like this will simply move us further to extremes of alt-right vs. true socialism (not democratic socialism).

Republicans are jumping off the bandwagon because Trump is running it off a cliff. If he succeeds, we may never see a true conservative Republican Party again.
 
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The hyperbolic response is “What HASN’T he twisted?” I’ve addressed this many times in this forum. Everything from constitutional authority, checks and balances, campaign finance violations, placating to evangelicals while being a moral wasteland, leveraging QAnon, labeling anything negative about him in the media as “fake news,” foreign relations, Russia, Ukraine, the list goes on and on. We could get into the weeds about all these issues, but I’m not interested in that.

Help me understand your point though. The GOP has wandered from their conservative principles, so the answer is a president who has no principles? By supporting someone even further from their mores, we’re going to being the party back to it’s origins? Seems like this will simply move us further to extremes of alt-right vs. true socialism (not democratic socialism).

Republicans are jumping off the bandwagon because Trump is running it off a cliff. If he succeeds, we may never see a true conservative Republican Party again.
Which Republican candidate that Trump whipped in 2016 would be your true conservative hero?
 
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Which Republican candidate that Trump whipped in 2016 would be your true conservative hero?
I preferred just about every other Republican candidate during the primary to Trump. Although I appreciate the tax cuts, deregulation and the fact he calls out fake news, I still feel that way.
 
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A total of 17 major candidates entered the 2016 Republican race. Prior to the 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries, this was the largest presidential primary field for any political party in American history.

Some of the last standing Republican presidential candidates were Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Mike Huckabee , John Kasich, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Donald Trump and Scott Walker.

Who best represents the Republican Party ideals?
 
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A total of 17 major candidates entered the 2016 Republican race. Prior to the 2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries, this was the largest presidential primary field for any political party in American history.

Some of the last standing Republican presidential candidates were Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Mike Huckabee , John Kasich, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Donald Trump and Scott Walker.

Who best represents the Republican Party ideals?
Rand Paul
 

CocoCincinnati

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Help me understand your point though. The GOP has wandered from their conservative principles, so the answer is a president who has no principles?
Trump getting nominated was a rebuke of the cowardly way the Republicans have been of talking big but delivering nothing...or worse doing the opposite. To be clear I did not want Trump but I fully understand the frustration in the base that allowed him to win. I voted Johnson in 2016, not Trump, but I still would have voted Johnson over any of the other Republicans in the race besides Paul...because he was the only actual conservative.

As far as 2020 is concerned, I can't imagine how any person claiming to be conservative can support Biden in any way. I mean at least with Trump you're getting conservative judges...and if you just can't stomach Trump, you've got Jo.

The Republican elites endorsing Joe instead of Jo just shows their true colors. They would rather keep the terrible two party status quo, even as the minority party, than actually fight for conservative ideals...so screw them.
 

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Trump getting nominated was a rebuke of the cowardly way the Republicans have been of talking big but delivering nothing...or worse doing the opposite. To be clear I did not want Trump but I fully understand the frustration in the base that allowed him to win. I voted Johnson in 2016, not Trump, but I still would have voted Johnson over any of the other Republicans in the race besides Paul...because he was the only actual conservative.

As far as 2020 is concerned, I can't imagine how any person claiming to be conservative can support Biden in any way. I mean at least with Trump you're getting conservative judges...and if you just can't stomach Trump, you've got Jo.

The Republican elites endorsing Joe instead of Jo just shows their true colors. They would rather keep the terrible two party status quo, even as the minority party, than actually fight for conservative ideals...so screw them.
Delivering nothing on what exactly? I can see how frustrated voters would vote in an outsider, but Trump became a Republican in 2012 and hasn’t shown a history of conservative values. Sure, he gave tax breaks (mostly to the wealthy who didn’t need it) but he has spent at unprecedented levels and is rapidly increasing our debt. Still, I kinda get voting for him in 2016. To vote him back in after four years of him increasing executive authority, disregarding states’ rights, increasing spending, etc. seems to be a vote against true conservative principles. Many Republicans see him as a danger to democracy. Not sure a principled vote for Jo is helpful as it simply helps Trump defeat Biden. I voted third party in 2016. As much as I hate it, it is a binary decision this year.
 
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. Sure, he gave tax breaks (mostly to the wealthy who didn’t need it)
That is a false talking point. I would not define myself as wealthy and I received a good tax break from his tax cuts. And Biden just announced plans that would increase my taxes.
Am I being selfish if I vote for Trump? Possibly, but wouldn’t you say the majority of voters vote in their self-interest?
 
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Remember the Biden "townhall" a few days ago where he talked about being from Scranton and Scranton people not having a lot of money to invest vs Trump from Park Avenue? This is a great juxtaposition of that malarky...

https://twitter.com/brithume/status/1308182205148135424?s=20
 

Binman4OSU

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The package, postmarked from Canada, included a letter in which she referred to Trump as “The Ugly Tyrant Clown” and directed him to “give up and remove your application for this election,” according to an FBI affidavit filed in the case.
“So I made a ‘special gift’ for you to make a decision. This gift is in this letter,” she wrote, according to the affidavit. “If it doesn’t work, I’ll find better recipe for another poison, or I might use my gun when I’ll be able to come.”


 

CocoCincinnati

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Delivering nothing on what exactly? I can see how frustrated voters would vote in an outsider, but Trump became a Republican in 2012 and hasn’t shown a history of conservative values. Sure, he gave tax breaks (mostly to the wealthy who didn’t need it) but he has spent at unprecedented levels and is rapidly increasing our debt. Still, I kinda get voting for him in 2016. To vote him back in after four years of him increasing executive authority, disregarding states’ rights, increasing spending, etc. seems to be a vote against true conservative principles. Many Republicans see him as a danger to democracy. Not sure a principled vote for Jo is helpful as it simply helps Trump defeat Biden. I voted third party in 2016. As much as I hate it, it is a binary decision this year.
Well, I suppose if I actually thought Trump was a threat to democracy, I could understand a conservative voting for Biden. I'm just not seeing this threat though.

I mean the power of the executive branch has been growing for decades. Sure Trump has taken advantage of that and has continued pushing it but Hillary would've done the same, Biden will do the same and so will the next R or D to sit in that office...this is a problem with our government in general, it's not limited to Trump.

I don't like it any more than you do but I don't see the establishment GOP and DNC, who have allowed this to happen, to put a stop to it....and few people could go on the mount rushmore of career establishment politicians ahead of Biden right now....he, along with the likes of McConnell and Pelosi, are as much to blame for allowing things to get this bad as anybody. The man was a part of the government for 40 years...why put him back there???

However, if we want to look at specifics, I see abusing the fisa court to attack political opponents as a very serious threat to democracy. And who was VP when that happened....oh yes, Joe Biden. You're right this is a pretty binary decision and you're also right that it sucks.
 

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That is a false talking point. I would not define myself as wealthy and I received a good tax break from his tax cuts. And Biden just announced plans that would increase my taxes.
Am I being selfish if I vote for Trump? Possibly, but wouldn’t you say the majority of voters vote in their self-interest?
Do you make over $400K per year? If not, then don't be super worried about your taxes going up early in a Biden Administration.

Long term though, man that's a tough one regardless of who is in charge. The bill for our covid related spending is going to come due at some point.