Guns and violence

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Cimarron

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What's it matter? Should I be locked up for buying beer in front of my kids? Or someone else for buying cigs? What about a nudie mag? Unless they were putting the kids in a dangerous situation, and there's no indication they were, then the presence of the kids shouldn't matter. If marijuana were legal, would there be any harm to kids witnessing a private transaction? Maybe she was teaching the kids a financial lesson!
Is buying beer illegal?

And you're right about teaching her kids. We may disagree though exactly what it was she was teaching them.
 

OSU Sig

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That would actually be pretty interesting. I wonder, though, if it might not be a more accurate and useful comparison to compare major metropolitan areas with large, poor, minority populations (i.e. black and hispanic gangs) from two+ states with wildly different CCW laws.

That would weed out comparing New Jersey to Wyoming.

Maybe Houston or Phoenix? I don't know.


But you do hear of dumbasses negligent discharging every once in a while! Hahaha.
I believe the subsets would support the overall statistics but it would be interesting to look at the different layers of those stats. I am certain the FBI website has lots of data for inspection.
 
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It's a tough question. It seems that strict gun control would curb violence but that is far from certain. And I think we have a basic right to defend ourselves when violently threatened. Add to that the fact that wannabe tyrannical governments usually seek to eliminate guns from public ownership and that certain of our people are not particularly trusting of government in general, certainly not the present one we are seeing.
 

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It's a tough question. It seems that strict gun control would curb violence but that is far from certain. And I think we have a basic right to defend ourselves when violently threatened. Add to that the fact that wannabe tyrannical governments usually seek to eliminate guns from public ownership and that certain of our people are not particularly trusting of government in general, certainly not the present one we are seeing.
Whom do gun control measures "control"?

Honest citizens or criminals?

I believe we all know the answer.
 

naranjaynegro

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How about the death penalty for any felony involving a gun? (when life is threatened)
Not just death penalty but a requirement for administering it within a relatively short time frame. The death penalty is not a deterrent in this country because DP convicts are more afraid of dying of cancer or heart disease then getting the needle.......In this day and age, 10 years would be considered fast for administering justice.
 

Erick

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While I tend to like personal liberties, including the ability to own firearms, I believe this is an issue where some oversight and licensing are appropriate.


There will always be a black market for guns in this country, and with the dearth of weapons in circulation today it would take centuries before they're thinned out by legislation, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't start. Sensible firearms controls shouldn't limit the well-intentioned gun owner from purchasing what they need to hunt and protect their homes. They wouldn't even stop patient, methodical criminals without a violent record. What they would do is keep the total number in circulation at a reasonable level and keep cartels from getting firearms at Wal-Mart by the dozen. A little common sense, reasonably applied, could go a long way.
Licensing for a constitutional right? Just think about that for a moment and when you still think it's a good idea, think about it using one of the other rights we have. Yea, you tend to like personal liberties, but only the one's that you practice.

I don't trust any government to grant approval for it's citizens to own guns. There are already laws against using one illegally. Do you really think the criminal won't use a gun if he doesn't have a license? No, he will break into another house and steal one that was purchased by a citizen.

Our government's job is not to regulate the citizen. It is their job to see that our borders are protected and that out laws are upheld. Maybe we should start there and leave the tax-paying, hard working, law abiding citizen alone.
 

Erick

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Any level-headed American knows you don't need more than 53 guns to protect your family. Anything above that should require a special permit and an in-depth background check. ;)

I am sorry, you have exceeded your 9,000 post limit. Any level headed American knows that you don't need 9,001 posts to voice your opinion.

Does the word "Right" mean anything to you? If a government has the power to grant a license, it has the power to deny a license.....for what ever purpose they choose. Few things tick me off more than a person who has no education about firearms or the history they have played in this country that thinks they know what's best for the rest of us.
 

Cimarron

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If the right to vote and the right to own guns are both guaranteed by the constitution why do we need background checks for one and not the other?
 
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If someone in my neighborhood is a drunk that gets popped with a DUI what good is taking my car away?

The way to curb violence is not trying to take away guns. Guns aren't violent, people are. There are a lot of guns in Canada but not a lot of violence...unless you watch the Stanley Cup Playoffs.
 

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MOST people don't own 53 guns because they are so paranoid they will need them all, they have 53 guns because they are collectors or hunters with different applications for each gun.
They hunt 53 different animals?:pistols:

I'll go on record as saying I do want a gun. Do I have any particular reason? No, but I'd like one. I enjoy shooting. Do I see the rationale in owning 10+ guns? No, because there isn't one. You're a hunter? Cool. Three rifles, two shotguns, MAYBE one large caliber pistol. Anything past that and you'd be making up reasons to own more. Home defense? Shotgun. Carry? Pistol. Do you need more? Also, that's a lot of money. Yeesh.
 

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They hunt 53 different animals?:pistols:

I'll go on record as saying I do want a gun. Do I have any particular reason? No, but I'd like one. I enjoy shooting. Do I see the rationale in owning 10+ guns? No, because there isn't one. You're a hunter? Cool. Three rifles, two shotguns, MAYBE one large caliber pistol. Anything past that and you'd be making up reasons to own more. Home defense? Shotgun. Carry? Pistol. Do you need more? Also, that's a lot of money. Yeesh.
Why does it matter how many guns a person owns?
 

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Here's a reminder. Our right to bear arms is to allow us to, provide for, protect ourselves, and our homes from THE GOVERNMENT. We are not given the liberty to keep arms with the idea that we are going to shoot every trespasser regardless of the threat.
 

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They hunt 53 different animals?:pistols:

I'll go on record as saying I do want a gun. Do I have any particular reason? No, but I'd like one. I enjoy shooting. Do I see the rationale in owning 10+ guns? No, because there isn't one. You're a hunter? Cool. Three rifles, two shotguns, MAYBE one large caliber pistol. Anything past that and you'd be making up reasons to own more. Home defense? Shotgun. Carry? Pistol. Do you need more? Also, that's a lot of money. Yeesh.
Need? you are the authority on how many items a person needs? Really, now. you should read Erick's posts on this topic.
 

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Need? you are the authority on how many items a person needs? Really, now. you should read Erick's posts on this topic.
I read his post on this topic. If you're implying that I'm uneducated about firearms or somehow unaware of the "history they played in this country," then you'd be mistaken. I'm simply saying that you can't prove to me there's a logical basis for owning that many guns. Is it your right? The 2nd Amendment says it is. But it's silly to own that many.
 

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"Well, if the government tries to take away all of my guns, then do you REALLY think the criminals will be affected equally?"

No. Criminals will find a way to get their hands on firearms. Just as -- I suspect -- many previously law abiding citizens will. People who REALLY want to get their hands on firearms will always be able to, no matter which side of the Good-Bad moral spectrum they place themselves upon. You can't convince me that a man who owned 15 guns before the government took them away (which will never happen, btw) wouldn't try to turn to the Black Market to get his hands on more firearms. He might have to limit himself to only a few, but, I don't see how anyone else doesn't realize this is a likelihood.
 

Erick

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I read his post on this topic. If you're implying that I'm uneducated about firearms or somehow unaware of the "history they played in this country," then you'd be mistaken. I'm simply saying that you can't prove to me there's a logical basis for owning that many guns. Is it your right? The 2nd Amendment says it is. But it's silly to own that many.


Does a man hunt elk with the same gun as he does deer? Does a man teach his kid to shoot on the same 12 gauge he shoots duck with? Do you shoot rabbit with a high power rifle? Is he limited to owning one handgun to target shoot and carry? Does he sell his guns when his grandfather passes one down to him? I could go on and on but it doesn't matter because you simple don't understand what our rights mean to us. To you it's "silly". Please don't run for an elected office.
 

Poke4Real

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Does a man hunt elk with the same gun as he does deer? Does a man teach his kid to shoot on the same 12 gauge he shoots duck with? Do you shoot rabbit with a high power rifle? Is he limited to owning one handgun to target shoot and carry? Does he sell his guns when his grandfather passes one down to him? I could go on and on but it doesn't matter because you simple don't understand what our rights mean to us. To you it's "silly". Please don't run for an elected office.
I've already said I'd like to own a firearm because I enjoy shooting. You're stating that I don't understand what "your" rights mean to you, which doesn't make sense. They're my rights as well, which I've proven I understand because I said I'd like to own a firearm. I'll just never own as many as some other people because I don't see the need. And out of all of the scenarios you just mentioned, there's still not room in there for 10+ guns. And you don't have to worry about me running for an elected office. Politics are a waste of time and rife with lobbyists and corruption.