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CowboyJD

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So, by your definition of a legal contract. Does one party receive compensation (rent, clothing allowance, meals) ONLY when services are provided?

I am a bachelor, so this whole marriage concept is quite foreign and amusing to me. But, after talking to most married guys I know it sounds like they have a voidable contract. Because, implied "services" are no longer being rendered.

I will never force my morals on anyone. And I would kindly ask that no one in turn attempts to legislate their morality to me.
I have no problem with trying to avoid chaos. But, when the federal government intereferes in my life to prevent chaos, it has missed it's objective.
Just about all our laws have a moral aspect to them. Hell, the notion of self control and privacy has a moral aspect to it. You're forcing your morals on others when you contend that your privacy and property rights transcend and are superior to their interest in an orderly society.

How do you propose to suss out the moral aspects in the law that are acceptable and those that are not? Whether it interferes in your life isn't a relevant measure....every law interferes or restricts your life in at least some form or manner.

BTW, prostitution has substantial secondary and tertiary effects on the community that could easily justify its prohibition without reference the morality involved.
 
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Lewis,

Agreed and based on that I believe we need to start our own political party. And in doing so we need to push for campaign finance reform (McCain stance) so we have a shot in hell at getting one of us elected. It be a breathe of fresh air besides the elephants and asses getting elected and ruining things every year.
So, forgo the First Amendment? Any more rights on your list? Campaign Finance Reform is protection for incumbents, a barrier to the little guy and the lesser voices being heard.


But hey it sounds good!
 

CowboyJD

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So - what would some of the effects that well regulated prostitution would have on the community?
Increased drug use and crime in the area. Increased vandalism and accounts of public urination and other disruption in the area. Increased costs associated with regulation and enforcement of provisions allowing prostitution. Illegal trafficking of women to work.

There's a reason that Las Vegas restricts prostitution to isolated, low population counties and away from its major metropolitan areas.

If by "well regulated prostitution" you mean designated red light districts away from major population areas, the secondary and tertiary effects are certainly lessened though still present to some degree.
 

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It doesn't seem to have caused massive social upheaval in places like Japan and Australia.
Actually prostitution is illegal in Japan, though court decisions have interpreted prostitution as the act of coitus solely. Furthermore, you might want to do some research into the illegal trafficking of Thai, Chinese, and other women in Japan along with the increased incidents of minors involved in prostitution before making the judgment that prostitution in Japan has been without substantial societal costs.

Australian regulation of prostitution is a patchwork depending upon the province. It's industry also has issues with trafficking of women and undocumented workers.
 

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Furthermore, you might want to do some research into the illegal trafficking of Thai, Chinese, and other women in Japan along with the increased incidents of minors involved in prostitution before making the judgment that prostitution in Japan has been without substantial societal costs.
Trafficking of women for prostitution happens in our own country as well. In Houston, for example, many of the "cantinas" are restaurants by day, and illegal brothels by night. They traffic in women from Mexico and Central America, mostly.
 
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Actually prostitution is illegal in Japan, though court decisions have interpreted prostitution as the act of coitus solely. Furthermore, you might want to do some research into the illegal trafficking of Thai, Chinese, and other women in Japan along with the increased incidents of minors involved in prostitution before making the judgment that prostitution in Japan has been without substantial societal costs.

Australian regulation of prostitution is a patchwork depending upon the province. It's industry also has issues with trafficking of women and undocumented workers.
As with all prohibitions, some daylight and transparency are what is needed to root these problems out. More laws and prohibition only serve to force acts like this further into the shadows, making them more dangerous for all involved. Plus empowering criminal minded elements to double their efforts.

Markets for such things exist, whether we like it or not. Forcing them to become black markets only makes it worse. I wish our society could learn that lesson from our own Prohibition history.
 

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As with all prohibitions, some daylight and transparency are what is needed to root these problems out. More laws and prohibition only serve to force acts like this further into the shadows, making them more dangerous for all involved. Plus empowering criminal minded elements to double their efforts.

Markets for such things exist, whether we like it or not. Forcing them to become black markets only makes it worse. I wish our society could learn that lesson from our own Prohibition history.
Fewer laws and more transparency hasn't helped much with the human trafficking problem in Asia. It's worse than in America where the sex trade is largely illegal.

You seem to be advocating legalization of anything for which "markets for such things exist". I disagree.
 

CowboyJD

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Trafficking of women for prostitution happens in our own country as well. In Houston, for example, many of the "cantinas" are restaurants by day, and illegal brothels by night. They traffic in women from Mexico and Central America, mostly.
I understand that. I also understand that my statement was in response to evenflow's suggestion that legalized prostitution didn't cause any social upheaval in Japan. I understand trafficking occurs in the U.S.. I believe it would increase with the increase of legalized sex work and brothels. That has been the experience in places most places where legalization has occurred.

The notable exception is Nevada. It is restricted geographically to remote areas not near major population centers. Even then, there are many that question whether the state revenue generated offsets the costs of regulation.
 
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Fewer laws and more transparency hasn't helped much with the human trafficking problem in Asia. It's worse than in America where the sex trade is largely illegal.

You seem to be advocating legalization of anything for which "markets for such things exist". I disagree.
Human Trafficking (i.e. kidnapping) is a problem, and it definitely infringes on a person's rights. However, If states and local municipalities handled the way things are handled in Nevada.

You would see the monetary incentive for such acts drop.
 

JLK Jr.

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Fewer laws and more transparency hasn't helped much with the human trafficking problem in Asia. It's worse than in America where the sex trade is largely illegal.

You seem to be advocating legalization of anything for which "markets for such things exist". I disagree.
Absolutely. Agree 100%
 

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As with all prohibitions, some daylight and transparency are what is needed to root these problems out. More laws and prohibition only serve to force acts like this further into the shadows, making them more dangerous for all involved. Plus empowering criminal minded elements to double their efforts.

Markets for such things exist, whether we like it or not. Forcing them to become black markets only makes it worse. I wish our society could learn that lesson from our own Prohibition history.
Markets used to (still do on a much, much smaller scale in foreign countries) where you could get these people from across the ocean and BUY them. Yeah, and then they became your property and you could make the work in the fields for you, or clean your house. And you just had to house them, maybe a few rags for clothing and if you were really generous, you could feed them. What a great market that was!! :rolleyes: A market exists, it should most certainly be legal.