How about Baker yesterday? How'd he do?

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Jake Trotter spelling out the disfunction in Cleveland. It's not all on Baker, by any means, which is why he should learn to shut his mouth and he might actually engender some sympathy. Taking the douche route is what he does though.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/2021-browns-locker-room-issues-131859573.html

After Beckham’s father ripped Mayfield publicly and speculation grew about Beckham being on his way out, multiple players lobbied for Cleveland to keep OBJ on the team.​
“I feel like the majority of this locker room would love to have him in this building,” safety John Johnson III said then. “Flat out.”​
As one source put it, the way Beckham exited Cleveland “poisoned the well” for Mayfield with some teammates.​

  • The offense and defense
On Christmas Day, after rejoining the Browns from the reserve/COVID-19 list, Mayfield threw four interceptions in a loss at Green Bay that diminished Cleveland’s playoff hopes. After Mayfield’s second interception, Johnson, who was back in Cleveland on the reserve/COVID-19 list, immediately tweeted, “RUN THE DAMN BALL.”​

  • Baker and Kevin Stefanski
As Mayfield was losing confidence in himself, he had also begun losing faith in Stefanski, according to multiple sources, even though the two had thrived the year before during Cleveland’s unexpected playoff run.​

  • The organization and Mayfield
According to multiple sources, those close to Mayfield — who to that point had missed one game because of his shoulder injury — wondered at the time if the Browns were trying to make Mayfield look as hapless as possible in prime time, to potentially pave the way for the franchise to more easily explain why it might be moving on from him in the offseason.​
After the Pittsburgh loss, Mayfield told reporters he would be conferring with his family and agent — not the team — about whether he would play in the season finale against Cincinnati.​

  • Front office and Mayfield
The Browns picked up the fifth-year option on Mayfield’s contract on April 23, 2021, but even after the playoff win, the team refrained from engaging Mayfield’s camp on extension talks last offseason, according to multiple sources. It was a signal to Mayfield that the team was unsure he was their long-term answer at quarterback.​
Oh lord. Jake Trotter is an OU jock sniffer.
 

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Oh lord. Jake Trotter is an OU jock sniffer.
Yeah, he seems like a really good dude (and knows more about OSU stuff than most members of media around here), but he's basically Mayfield's buddy and p.r. guy. His current job is based purely on his relationship with Mayfield while at OU.
 

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Yeah, he seems like a really good dude (and knows more about OSU stuff than most members of media around here), but he's basically Mayfield's buddy and p.r. guy. His current job is based purely on his relationship with Mayfield while at OU.
This is absolutely correct.
 

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If you were last year's starter, and they traded for your replacement in the offseason, you probably wouldn't go to voluntary workouts either. However, I think it would be in the best interest of both parties if they at least try to make up and see what they can do with him at qb during watson's inevitable suspension. If he plays well enough, it will enhance his trade value and make it more likely to move him and get something in return.

Unless they plan to just tank. But one way or another it would be kind of dumb to have an 18 million dollar cap hit for someone who isnt doing anything for you. Maybe they'll pay half his salary, but something has to happen.
 

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If you were last year's starter, and they traded for your replacement in the offseason, you probably wouldn't go to voluntary workouts either. However, I think it would be in the best interest of both parties if they at least try to make up and see what they can do with him at qb during watson's inevitable suspension. If he plays well enough, it will enhance his trade value and make it more likely to move him and get something in return. Unless they plan to just tank. But one way or another it would be kind of dumb to have an 18 million dollar cap hit for someone who isnt doing anything for you
They're not keeping him after what he said and did, end of story.

What if they kept him and he plays well? The situation's even more of a $hitshow then. No way that happens.
 

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They're not keeping him after what he said and did, end of story.

What if they kept him and he plays well? The situation's even more of a $hitshow then. No way that happens.
Then they have a nice season if that happens. And his trade value is higher. Either that or make him an expensive emergency qb. They were dumb enough to go out of their way to diminish his trade value this offseason and then further losing leverage with the watson fiasco. So if they are getting rid of him it'l prob mean they pay for a chunk of his salary and if that's the plan, they should be done with it already. sounds like they cant find a trade partner though which is why I talked about enhancing that value with good play on the field. what else could make a mayfield trade more appealing? other than offering to pay even more.
 

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Then they have a nice season if that happens. And his trade value is higher. Either that or make him an expensive emergency qb. They were dumb enough to go out of their way to diminish his trade value this offseason and then further losing leverage with the watson fiasco. So if they are getting rid of him it'l prob mean they pay for a chunk of his salary and if that's the plan, they should be done with it already. sounds like they cant find a trade partner though which is why I talked about enhancing that value with good play on the field. what else could make a mayfield trade more appealing? other than offering to pay even more.
They're moving past him. If you think they just paid Watson $230 mil guaranteed, and have any thoughts of letting Mayfield impact their new direction, you're delusional.

Of course they don't want to pay his entire $18 mil, but nobody else in the NFL does either. Eating 10, or even the whole 18 in the face of a $230 mil investment is a no-brainer. All it is now is a handful of teams that might have an interest in the guy, a la, Sam Darnold to bring in and compete or back up, and they ain't paying what the Browns are asking. Cleveland will eventually get desperate enough to eat more and more of his contract as the summer drags on, and someone will pick him up for Geno Smith money.

It'll be cool when he does land with another team, though. We can hear again how much he gives to the game and how hard he tries.:thumbup:
 

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They're moving past him. If you think they just paid Watson $230 mil guaranteed, and have any thoughts of letting Mayfield impact their new direction, you're delusional.

Of course they don't want to pay his entire $18 mil, but nobody else in the NFL does either. Eating 10, or even the whole 18 in the face of a $230 mil investment is a no-brainer. All it is now is a handful of teams that might have an interest in the guy, a la, Sam Darnold to bring in and compete or back up, and they ain't paying what the Browns are asking. Cleveland will eventually get desperate enough to eat more and more of his contract as the summer drags on, and someone will pick him up for Geno Smith money.

It'll be cool when he does land with another team, though. We can hear again how much he gives to the game and how hard he tries.:thumbup:
Let's just hope he's backup on a good team so Channel 9 will quit running brownie games.
 

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They're moving past him. If you think they just paid Watson $230 mil guaranteed, and have any thoughts of letting Mayfield impact their new direction, you're delusional.

Of course they don't want to pay his entire $18 mil, but nobody else in the NFL does either. Eating 10, or even the whole 18 in the face of a $230 mil investment is a no-brainer. All it is now is a handful of teams that might have an interest in the guy, a la, Sam Darnold to bring in and compete or back up, and they ain't paying what the Browns are asking. Cleveland will eventually get desperate enough to eat more and more of his contract as the summer drags on, and someone will pick him up for Geno Smith money.

It'll be cool when he does land with another team, though. We can hear again how much he gives to the game and how hard he tries.:thumbup:
Yes, you already said that.

Yes, that's why i said it'll mean they will have to pay part of his salary. Hence why i said they should have been done with it already.