I said 5 years prior to the Iraq war. If you're not sure what years that was, it was 1998-2003. You posted stuff dating back to 1988. Maybe those numbers will be relevant to the discussion if McCain gets elected and we're discussing the Iraq war casualties in 2018. As it stands, we've been in Iraq for 5 years. The only number you have concerning any mass killings prior to the Iraq war is: 1993-1998: About 3,000 prisoners were machine-gunned to death at Mahjar prison in central Baghdad and that isn't 5 years prior, that's 5-10 years prior. I'm not arguing that Saddam's rule was rainbows and butterflies or defending Saddam's actions like some of you are attacking me for, I'm arguing that the war we started has been more costly to human life than what it was after the Gulf War and prior to the Iraq war that we started in 2003. By the way, I thought you didn't read what I posted or respond to me?