Israel proves the NRA's arguments

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Gun rights advocates contend that the way to stop mass shootings is by ensuring that there are always well-armed citizens present who can neutralize the shooter. As NRA chairman Wayne Lapierre always says, "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun".
But here is video proof that concealed carry permit holders live in a dream world:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=309&v=8QjZY3WiO9s


Part 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLN6_s66wTg
 
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Since the vast majority of firearms are now semi-auto, and have been since like WWII... yes, it should be quite easy to purchase a semi-auto weapon.

AND EVERY GUN is an "assault weapon" if used as a "weapon".

And it only benefits those being murdered by guns IF you confiscate every single gun from those who intend to use them for murder. Good luck with that.

The 2nd Amendment has plenty of responsibility in it. So do our current gun laws... enforce them... and elevate punishment for those who resort to gun violence.

If you don't believe in the 2nd Amendment, then exercise your right to NOT own a gun. Be my guest. But don't take that liberty away from others.

*I'm all for a revamped background check... but I draw the line there.
What gun law currently on the books has not been enforced that would have stopped these shootings? Again, nobody is wanting to take your liberty away any more than they took your liberty away in the 1930s when they decided that you could not have fully automatic weapons without jumping through some hoops. Why aren't we arguing that liberty "removal" anymore? Why didn't that slippery slope us like the claim is that any further restriction will do?
 

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What gun law currently on the books has not been enforced that would have stopped these shootings? Again, nobody is wanting to take your liberty away any more than they took your liberty away in the 1930s when they decided that you could not have fully automatic weapons without jumping through some hoops. Why aren't we arguing that liberty "removal" anymore? Why didn't that slippery slope us like the claim is that any further restriction will do?
Just to point out, you're using the automatic weapons restriction as an argument for further restrictions, and then claiming that the slope ain't slippery.
 

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What gun law currently on the books has not been enforced that would have stopped these shootings? Again, nobody is wanting to take your liberty away any more than they took your liberty away in the 1930s when they decided that you could not have fully automatic weapons without jumping through some hoops. Why aren't we arguing that liberty "removal" anymore? Why didn't that slippery slope us like the claim is that any further restriction will do?
For the Texas church shooter it was simply a filing mistake that allowed him to have the gun. For the Florida school shooter I’d he had been sent to a mental health facility like he should have when he was cutting his arms that would have triggered him not being able to buy guns. I think we need to tighten background checks up drastically, including being required for gun shows and move the age up to 21 for all guns (already 21 for handguns). Then if an 18 year old wants to hunt they can go through a hunter safety course and purchase a hunting rifle (might need some clarity defining this) with the assistance of an adult. Somewhat like driving a car with a permit.
 

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For the Texas church shooter it was simply a filing mistake that allowed him to have the gun. For the Florida school shooter I’d he had been sent to a mental health facility like he should have when he was cutting his arms that would have triggered him not being able to buy guns. I think we need to tighten background checks up drastically, including being required for gun shows and move the age up to 21 for all guns (already 21 for handguns). Then if an 18 year old wants to hunt they can go through a hunter safety course and purchase a hunting rifle (might need some clarity defining this) with the assistance of an adult. Somewhat like driving a car with a permit.
Background checks are already required for dealers at gun shows.
 

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What gun law currently on the books has not been enforced that would have stopped these shootings? Again, nobody is wanting to take your liberty away any more than they took your liberty away in the 1930s when they decided that you could not have fully automatic weapons without jumping through some hoops. Why aren't we arguing that liberty "removal" anymore? Why didn't that slippery slope us like the claim is that any further restriction will do?
Murder being illegal and it was illegal to have guns at school? Maybe the gun free zone does more harm than good?? I don't know.
 

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Background checks are already required for dealers at gun shows.
Yes but not everyone is considered a dealer at a lot of gun shows. I guess the answer is only allow dealers at gun shows. I know I have bought a couple of guns at gun shows and did not have to do a background check so some are still finding ways around. Yes there will still be things like armslist etc but most of those you have to have licensed gun dealer do the transaction.

The overall best answer I think would be simply to license all gun owners similar to how we do with drivers licenses. You go in take a class, pass a test and have a gun ownership license. However I don't see that being something that most will accept as one side wants to just get rid of the guns and the other just wants to have guns with no real hassles.
 

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What gun law currently on the books has not been enforced that would have stopped these shootings? Again, nobody is wanting to take your liberty away any more than they took your liberty away in the 1930s when they decided that you could not have fully automatic weapons without jumping through some hoops. Why aren't we arguing that liberty "removal" anymore? Why didn't that slippery slope us like the claim is that any further restriction will do?
For the Texas church shooter it was simply a filing mistake that allowed him to have the gun. For the Florida school shooter I’d he had been sent to a mental health facility like he should have when he was cutting his arms that would have triggered him not being able to buy guns. I think we need to tighten background checks up drastically, including being required for gun shows and move the age up to 21 for all guns (already 21 for handguns). Then if an 18 year old wants to hunt they can go through a hunter safety course and purchase a hunting rifle (might need some clarity defining this) with the assistance of an adult. Somewhat like driving a car with a permit.
My twelve year old can have a shotgun or hunting rifle. He's done Hunter safety AND 4H gun training. I have to buy it for him and it has to go through a gun dealer and I get the background check. I don't see anything wrong with that. Need to open up mental records and juvenile arrest records to the background checks and include kids in the check process also.

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For the Texas church shooter it was simply a filing mistake that allowed him to have the gun. For the Florida school shooter I’d he had been sent to a mental health facility like he should have when he was cutting his arms that would have triggered him not being able to buy guns. I think we need to tighten background checks up drastically, including being required for gun shows and move the age up to 21 for all guns (already 21 for handguns). Then if an 18 year old wants to hunt they can go through a hunter safety course and purchase a hunting rifle (might need some clarity defining this) with the assistance of an adult. Somewhat like driving a car with a permit.
At 18 yrs old they ARE an adult...
 

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My point being that when you spend a kids whole life protecting them from their own failures and preventing them from learning how to make decisions (and deal with their consequences) like an adult, it's not surprising to see that they end up being "children" longer.
 

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But armed security was present at some of those past school shootings, yet lives were lost. What do you want to do about that problem? Make schools more like prisons? Persuade all churches to have armed security? After all, if more security doesn't save all lives, it's bound to save a few. That's better than none.