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F Polis and the horse he rode in on. He's part of the Boulder elite group that knows what's best for everyone, regardless of how they vote. Prop 112 was voted down by nearly 70% of the voters here in a statewide election, so Polis uses the House and Senate to ram through the measure anyway 2 months later.

As for the gay part, you're right. Its the same reason Buttigieg isn't a legit candidate in a national election-gay men poll terribly in black and hispanic communities.
You sound confused. Hes from Ft Collins, not Boulder. Don't you claim to live in Boulder County?

Plus, he did a great job navigating covid and leaving mask mandates up to cities/counties, so they could do as they see fit.
 
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F Polis and the horse he rode in on. He's part of the Boulder elite group that knows what's best for everyone, regardless of how they vote. Prop 112 was voted down by nearly 70% of the voters here in a statewide election, so Polis uses the House and Senate to ram through the measure anyway 2 months later.

As for the gay part, you're right. Its the same reason Buttigieg isn't a legit candidate in a national election-gay men poll terribly in black and hispanic communities.
Didn't he try to push through some ridiculous law that essentially would have made it illegal to pregnancy check cows? I've got a buddy that teaches at CSU and says the dude is a nutcase.
 

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Don't get distracted by the Secret Service agent piece. because NO BODY AT ALL is Disputing this took place

https://twitter.com/hugolowell/status/1541966440844099584
Exactly.

They're also not disputing that he threw a temper tantrum about not being taken to the Capitol to join the mob, or that he and Meadows knew the mob was armed and Trump demanded the metal detectors be taken down and called for the crowd to march anyway, or that Cipollone counseled them not to because they'd commit a whole slew of crimes, or that Meadows said Trump told him Pence deserved to hang. This is basically, "Sure, the murder took place and you've got the right culprit, but - GASP! - he was wearing a red tie and not a blue one that day."

And let them go under oath like she did if they want to clear up the record. Right now, they're all hiding behind spokespeople and Twitter.
 

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Don't get distracted by the Secret Service agent piece. because NO BODY AT ALL is Disputing this took place

https://twitter.com/hugolowell/status/1541966440844099584
Yea dont get distracted by the fact that something we heard was completely false and being disputed by people whom were there. Yea dont believe your lying eyes lol.
 

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Yea dont get distracted by the fact that something we heard was completely false and being disputed by people whom were there. Yea dont believe your lying eyes lol.
no you heard a person testify UNDER OATH that an USSS agent told her what had occurred in The Beast. The Official House GOP Twitter even called that out yesterday saying it was Hearsay because she didn't witness it.

Then what you saw was her recall this story under OATH that the USSS TOLD her and recounting the details of what he told her.

Then you have two people NOT under OATH who WERE there (one being the guy to later told story to the woman who testified yesterday)....saying that the grab of the steering wheel and the physical assault didn't happen and disputing the actual events she was told about.


So NOW we need those two who WERE there to come testify under OATH
1. What happened and what did you see you were there
2. What did you tell this person happened and was she lying under oath about it ?


“Mr. Trump then used his free hand to lunge toward Engel, and when Mr. Ornato recounted the story to me, he motioned to his clavicles,” Cassidy Hutchinson said during Tuesday’s hearing before the Jan. 6 committee.
 
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no you heard a person testify UNDER OATH that an USSS agent told her what had occurred in The Beast. The Official House GOP Twitter even called that out yesterday saying it was Hearsay because she didn't witness it.

Then what you saw was her recall this story under OATH that the USSS TOLD her and recounting the details of what he told her.

Then you have two people NOT under OATH who WERE there (one being the guy to later told story to the woman who testified yesterday)....saying that the grab of the steering wheel and the physical assault didn't happen and disputing the actual events she was told about.


So NOW we need those two who WERE there to come testify under OATH
1. What happened and what did you see you were there
2. What did you tell this person happened and was she lying under oath about it ?


“Mr. Trump then used his free hand to lunge toward Engel, and when Mr. Ornato recounted the story to me, he motioned to his clavicles,” Cassidy Hutchinson said during Tuesday’s hearing before the Jan. 6 committee.
I admittedly haven't watched any of this dog and pony show. How did her testimony hold up under cross examination?
 

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no you heard a person testify UNDER OATH that an USSS agent told her what had occurred in The Beast. The Official House GOP Twitter even called that out yesterday saying it was Hearsay because she didn't witness it.

Then what you saw was her recall this story under OATH that the USSS TOLD her and recounting the details of what he told her.

Then you have two people NOT under OATH who WERE there (one being the guy to later told story to the woman who testified yesterday)....saying that the grab of the steering wheel and the physical assault didn't happen and disputing the actual events she was told about.


So NOW we need those two who WERE there to come testify under OATH
1. What happened and what did you see you were there
2. What did you tell this person happened and was she lying under oath about it ?


“Mr. Trump then used his free hand to lunge toward Engel, and when Mr. Ornato recounted the story to me, he motioned to his clavicles,” Cassidy Hutchinson said during Tuesday’s hearing before the Jan. 6 committee.
Why not the secret service agent instead of her testify?
 

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Why not the secret service agent instead of her testify?
I'd assume there are rules about USSS agents testifying that probably require clearance from the agency. Plus, as I understand it, the Ornato guy was an agent who took leave to become a political appointee in Trump's White House and then went back into the USSS detail after Trump lost. I suppose it's possible they've asked him to testify, but he's refused to testify willingly like others in Trump's orbit.

The pressing question of the hearing(s) wasn't whether Trump attacked a Secret Service agent, but whether he knew the mob was armed and wanted to join them at the Hill. She testified that she had *firsthand* knowledge of both of those things. Maybe they felt they didn't need his testimony to establish that. (And FWIW, they had some of his text messages to establish at least the first point - Trump's knowledge that some in the crowd had come armed).

What's interesting is that we're acting like it's a foregone conclusion that she's lying - under oath - and a political appointee (Ornato) is telling the truth - not under oath. Maybe the Committee is using a favorable witness and she is lying (and would face perjury charges, nevermind the death threats she's received and the political career in the GOP that she's flushed down the toilet by testifying). Or maybe they'd love to get him under oath and ask him those very same questions but he refuses to do so willingly. Again, as it stands now, he's saying all of this through the USSS spokesperson.
 
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So you call the Jan 6 committee hearings a”dog and pony show” and insinuate it’s a sham bc the Rs can’t cross examine (by the way one of the most conservative members of Congress just so happens to co-chair and did all of the questioning yesterday and you’re either ignorant of the way this committee came about or you do know and choose to gaslight), yet you reach back into your hat rack and put the tinfoil on to suggest the former POTUS & Sec of St somehow off people.