Major world news - Osama Bin Laden Thread

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PistolPete'sMustache

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Obama deserves credit for re-focusing on Afghanistan and the search for Bin Laden. A supermajority of the country supported Bush going into Afghanistan to find Bin Laden and to take on Al-Queda. The Taliban became part of that mission. Where Bush lost alot of people was the Iraq situation that had little or nothing to do with 9-11. Obama specifically campaigned on refocusing on Afghanistan and the search for Bin Laden, and even said in one of the debates that he would go into Pakistan if necessary, without Pakistan's permission. He did just that. McCain actually criticized him for that in the debate. Obama was right on that and he deserves credit. When people say "well he didn't actually kill Bin Laden," it's a cop out. You can say that about any president ever and even military generals and commanders who are usually key in strategizing, but not actually on the ground. A mission like that took more than one or two people. There is plenty of praise to go around.

He gave credit to the intelligence people, and the military who executed the mission efficiently and effectively. All he said about himself was that he made the call to authorize the mission, which he did. His speech wasn't even a speech, it was more of a brief to the American people and the world about what happened. An Obama campaign speech would be over an hour, not the ten minutes or so he spoke Sunday night. Can we stop pretending that he gave an "I'm so proud of myself" Donald Trump-like speech? He did not. Not even close. Deficits and tax policies are fair game. Lets take this military victory as a positive all around thing for the country.
 

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Obama deserves credit for re-focusing on Afghanistan and the search for Bin Laden. A supermajority of the country supported Bush going into Afghanistan to find Bin Laden and to take on Al-Queda. The Taliban became part of that mission. Where Bush lost alot of people was the Iraq situation that had little or nothing to do with 9-11. Obama specifically campaigned on refocusing on Afghanistan and the search for Bin Laden, and even said in one of the debates that he would go into Pakistan if necessary, without Pakistan's permission. He did just that. McCain actually criticized him for that in the debate. Obama was right on that and he deserves credit. When people say "well he didn't actually kill Bin Laden," it's a cop out. You can say that about any president ever and even military generals and commanders who are usually key in strategizing, but not actually on the ground. A mission like that took more than one or two people. There is plenty of praise to go around.

He gave credit to the intelligence people, and the military who executed the mission efficiently and effectively. All he said about himself was that he made the call to authorize the mission, which he did. His speech wasn't even a speech, it was more of a brief to the American people and the world about what happened. An Obama campaign speech would be over an hour, not the ten minutes or so he spoke Sunday night. Can we stop pretending that he gave an "I'm so proud of myself" Donald Trump-like speech? He did not. Not even close. Deficits and tax policies are fair game. Lets take this military victory as a positive all around thing for the country.
I think the only people Bush lost on Iraq were those who had been sleeping under a rock. We had been dealing with Iraq on a military basis since Iraq invaded Kuwait. So yes, it had little to do with 9-11.
 
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I think the only people Bush lost on Iraq were those who had been sleeping under a rock. We had been dealing with Iraq on a military basis since Iraq invaded Kuwait. So yes, it had little to do with 9-11.
78% of Americans ? It was a big rock I guess. What it was, was a good job of selling the idea that IRAQ was involved in 9-11 (don't make me pull out the quotes from Powell, Bush, Cheney etc.). I think the only people NOT lost on IRAQ were those nowhere near the rock.
 

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78% of Americans ? It was a big rock I guess. What it was, was a good job of selling the idea that IRAQ was involved in 9-11 (don't make me pull out the quotes from Powell, Bush, Cheney etc.). I think the only people NOT lost on IRAQ were those nowhere near the rock.
Iraq was about a whole host of things and it stretches back to the Iraq invasion of Kuwait and U.N. sanctions. 9/11 just simply increased the pressure in dealing with it.

And yes it was a big rock. Lot's of people were lead to believe a lot of things that were simply lies and half truths. How many on the left believed and still believe that Bush caused 9/11!

Regardless of 9/11 do you think we would or would not have increased the actions against Iraq?
 
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The source who gave up OBL's courier name:

1. was caught in IRAQ during the Bush years
2. was held and interrogated at a "secret black site"

Obama has blasted GW and wanted an end to both wars. Now we have proof that some of the Bush policies were instrumental and correct.
 

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I really think the speech was turned into a campaign speech. Obama deserves none of the credit, it was my brothers and sisters in uniform that did all the work and the guys in the intelligence community. The comment that HE directed the CIA director to make it his #1 priority. Are you kidding me that was thrown in for campaign reasons all the way, do you really not think Bush did the same thing?

This is a victory for all the families that have suffered from the events of 9/11 and all the American people. And mostly it is a victory for any of us who have been away from our family and friends for years doing what we can overseas. Great news was ruined by a campaign speech IMO.

But extremely grateful Osama is gonna rot in hell.
But if the mission had gone bad or the gamble had been a bust, then OBAMA would have taken all the blame, A'La Jimmy Carter. bottom line the Buck stops in the oval office. The troops got the credit from the President. No commander ever pulls the trigger you of all people should know that the grunts do the work. The command makes the decisions and gives the orders.
 
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But if the mission had gone bad or the gamble had been a bust, then OBAMA would have taken all the blame, A'La Jimmy Carter. bottom line the Buck stops in the oval office. The troops got the credit from the President. No commander ever pulls the trigger you of all people should know that the grunts do the work. The command makes the decisions and gives the orders.
If the mission had gone bad, there would not be ONE word in the media. No way would they let their god take any of the blame. And yes, I'm calling him a god, little g, because to date I can't name a thing the media has said he has done wrong. He is the almighty in their eyes.

If the buck stops here, then why does he continually blame Bush for the bad economy, no jobs, etc? One day I would like to hear him take blame for SOMETHING!
 

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But, but... It's Bush's fault!
Obama is just trying to get re-elected and he uses bush as a scapegoat for when something goes wrong and than he spouts off something about change. Its all smoke and mirrors with this guy. He will keep running up the deficit and when the next president gets elected than he will bare the burden of unstoppable inflation and the greatest depression of all time. It will probably end up being a republican who has to bare the blunt of it. Clinton was lucky to get in office after bush so he could ride the coat-tails of bush senior's economic policy. Obama got in after bush junior who had to deal with the carnage of wall street and all the terrorist activities. Go watch the distinguished gentlemen with eddie murphy that is Obama's life story.