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I am reading this thread for the first time and I am wondering if homosexuality is a bigger sin than bigotry, hate or intolerance?

Sent from 40 miles past BFE.

Personally, I struggle far more with bigots and racists than anything. Homosexuals are just people. I know what the Bible says about men laying with men but I also know that the Bible calls for us to love others and serve them. It doesn't say only those share my beliefs.

I am not smart enough to answer the born gay vs become gay question. I will let God handle that because judgment is His to make for each of us.

Hell, I am supposed to love bigots too, but it is very hard for me.
 

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Personally, I struggle far more with bigots and racists than anything. Homosexuals are just people. I know what the Bible says about men laying with men but I also know that the Bible calls for us to love others and serve them. It doesn't say only those share my beliefs.

I am not smart enough to answer the born gay vs become gay question. I will let God handle that because judgment is His to make for each of us.

Hell, I am supposed to love bigots too, but it is very hard for me.
You're a good dude GodsPeace. Too bad there aren't more Christians (and people in general) who view the world the way you do.
 
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No sin is greater than any other. In my mind, to deny Christ as the Son, is the biggest sin of all. Jesus came, as God, in human form, to bring us back to a relationship with Him. He made it clear, time and time again, but for those who reject Him, they will be separated from God for eternity.

Two of my best friends are gay men. I love them dearly, but I do not condone what they do. However, they probably don't condone when I get angry and say ugly things. As has been said, we are all sinners. But we have a loving God who just wants a relationship with us. God will work it all out - that's not our place, although many so-called Christians have made it their place to work it out for Him.
 

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You're a good dude GodsPeace. Too bad there aren't more Christians (and people in general) who view the world the way you do.
I appreciate it but I am seriously flawed too. I struggle with this like others but I figure if I don't know the right wxact reaponse revert to worrying about caring first.

God gets to judge...not me in the end.
 

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You're a good dude GodsPeace. Too bad there aren't more Christians (and people in general) who view the world the way you do.
I am flawed too. I just try to not pretend I am any less broken than anyone else.

There are things in the Bible that are hard. Imho, Christ made those things easier by telling us to focus on loving others, even enemies. We are to forgive 77 * 7 times if needed. We are to look after those that need it and each other. We do not need to worry about specks in another's eye. We are supposed to live and love. Does that meam no counting of wrongs? No.

Jesus forgave the adulteress on the spot before the world. By the same old law that calls for the putting to death of gays, she was guilty.

How about some grace for a change?
 

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It is actually, you should read about it. Are you asserting that without the Bible we would be evil, immoral creatures incapable of empathy, love or compassion toward our fellow man?
We ARE evil immoral creatures but we are also fully capable of exhibiting empathy, love and compassion. We have plenty of evidence in the world to support both cases. I'm more interested in the concept of some guy 150 years ago that came up with a theory about humans evolving from pond scum .....oh and btw, they evolved an innate moral code as well. Wow! Your faith is much stronger than mine.
 

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We ARE evil immoral creatures but we are also fully capable of exhibiting empathy, love and compassion. We have plenty of evidence in the world to support both cases. I'm more interested in the concept of some guy 150 years ago that came up with a theory about humans evolving from pond scum .....oh and btw, they evolved an innate moral code as well. Wow! Your faith is much stronger than mine.
See I disagree. I believe we are loving empathetic and compassionate creatures that can become evil. And as for the last part(which I know was not at me) There is no faith in that equation It is based on evidence. That is the thing about faith, You can believe without the facts(For the record I am not saying that is a bad or good thing just saying.)
 

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We ARE evil immoral creatures but we are also fully capable of exhibiting empathy, love and compassion. We have plenty of evidence in the world to support both cases. I'm more interested in the concept of some guy 150 years ago that came up with a theory about humans evolving from pond scum .....oh and btw, they evolved an innate moral code as well. Wow! Your faith is much stronger than mine.
You're obviously UNinterested in Darwin's concept because if you were, you'd realize the mountains of evidence in support of it. You see, that's the thing about science, it doesn't require faith, it requires evidence. Evolution by process of natural selection is about as opposed within the scientific community as the theory of gravity.

We, and every other living thing on this planet, evolved from single cell organisms over the course of about 3.5 billion years. Just because you don't understand evolution doesn't mean it didn't happen.
 

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You're obviously UNinterested in Darwin's concept because if you were, you'd realize the mountains of evidence in support of it. You see, that's the thing about science, it doesn't require faith, it requires evidence. Evolution by process of natural selection is about as opposed within the scientific community as the theory of gravity.

We, and every other living thing on this planet, evolved from single cell organisms over the course of about 3.5 billion years. Just because you don't understand evolution doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Please point me to the evidence of exactly when and how that first single cell organism sprang into existence where none existed before it. I know you have to have evidence for that since you just said you don't take it on faith.
 

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Please point me to the evidence of exactly when and how that first single cell organism sprang into existence where none existed before it. I know you have to have evidence for that since you just said you don't take it on faith.
Isn't that a separate argument altogether? I made no comment about life arising from inorganic matter. That said, just because abiogenesis has yet to be confirmed doesn't mean there is a lack of evidence.
 

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Isn't that a separate argument altogether? I made no comment about life arising from inorganic matter. That said, just because abiogenesis has yet to be confirmed doesn't mean there is a lack of evidence.
I don't really see it as a seperate argument but to be fair you are right, you didn't mention it. That said, believing something to be true that hasn't been confirmed yet, even if some evidence suggests it may be, is what I would call faith.
 

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I don't really see it as a seperate argument but to be fair you are right, you didn't mention it. That said, believing something to be true that hasn't been confirmed yet, even if some evidence suggests it may be, is what I would call faith.
There is overwhelming evidence for evolution. Evolution and abiogenesis are not the same thing. I'm not going to provide evidence for evolution because if you don't believe in it, it's because you refuse to, and no amount of evidence is going to change your mind. To me, saying you don't believe in evolution is like saying you think the world is flat. They are equally ignorant statements.
 

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There is overwhelming evidence for evolution. Evolution and abiogenesis are not the same thing. I'm not going to provide evidence for evolution because if you don't believe in it, it's because you refuse to, and no amount of evidence is going to change your mind. To me, saying you don't believe in evolution is like saying you think the world is flat. They are equally ignorant statements.
I can easily change the word evolution (let's make sure we understand that i refer to macro-evolution) above and insert "Bible" and say the same things about you. The overwhelming evidence you say applies to evolution pales in comparison to the scrutiny subjected to the bible, yet there are many who refuse to believe..........let's agree to disagree and I don't mind you calling me a flatearther, btw;)
 

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I can easily change the word evolution (let's make sure we understand that i refer to macro-evolution) above and insert "Bible" and say the same things about you. The overwhelming evidence you say applies to evolution pales in comparison to the scrutiny subjected to the bible, yet there are many who refuse to believe..........let's agree to disagree and I don't mind you calling me a flatearther, btw;)
There is overwhelming evidence for the Bible? If what you're trying to say is that there's overwhelming evidence for the events in the Bible being true, then I really don't know what to say. There is no higher scrutiny than the scientific method. Science is not subjective, it either works and holds under rigorous testing, or it's discarded.

What evidence for God and creationism can you provide? The Bible obviously can't count as evidence for its own claims.
 

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There is overwhelming evidence for evolution. Evolution and abiogenesis are not the same thing. I'm not going to provide evidence for evolution because if you don't believe in it, it's because you refuse to, and no amount of evidence is going to change your mind. To me, saying you don't believe in evolution is like saying you think the world is flat. They are equally ignorant statements.
Just not overwhelming enough yet to bump it up from theory to law.