Official Game Thread: Oklahoma State vs. Texas

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Nov 1, 2009
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What do you not get about a three way tie? If we each lose only one conference game and they are to each other then that is a three way tie. I forgot that they changed the tiebreaker procedure. It is as follows:

From the Big 12 website:

Tiebreaker Procedures
Effective July 2017
Conference Competition. All teams will be scheduled to play nine games as part of the Conference schedule competing in a round-robin format.

Championship Game Participants. The two teams that complete the regular season with the highest winning percentage(s) will be the representatives in the Conference Championship Game. The team that wins the championship game will be the Big 12 Champion.

Tiebreaker Procedure. If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the head-to-head will be the #1 seed. If more than two teams tie for first place, the tiebreaker procedures below will be applied separately, to identify each participant in the championship game.

In the event two (or more teams) tie for second or any subsequent position, the tiebreaker procedures below will be used to break all ties as necessary. For the avoidance of doubt, only Conference records will be used throughout the process:
a. If two teams are tied, the winner of the regular-season game between the two tied teams shall prevail.
b. If three or more teams are tied, steps 1 through 4 will be followed until a determination is made. If only two teams remain tied after any step, the winner of the regular season game between the two tied teams shall prevail.
1. The Conference records of the three or more teams will be compared against each other in a “mini round-robin” format.
2. The Conference records of the three or more teams will be compared against the remaining team(s) in the Conference
standings from top to bottom.
a. When comparing against the remaining teams in the Conference standings any two-way ties will be broken by head-to-head
competition before the comparison begins.
b. If more than a two-way tie exists amongst the remaining teams in the Conference standings, the record against the collective
tied teams as a group will be used.
3. Scoring differential among the tied teams. The team or teams with the lowest difference between points scored and points
allowed in games vs. the tied teams is eliminated from consideration.
4. Draw (In the event steps 1-3 cannot break a multi-team tie the prevailing team or teams will be determined by draw at the
Conference office).
In the event tiebreaking procedures are unsuccessful and a draw is necessary in determining any portion of seeding,
the following procedures will be used:
a. The draw will be conducted in public or with media attendance.
b. Institutions involved in the drawing have the right to have a local representative in attendance at the drawing.
c. A single slip of paper for each institution (with name or logo) will be placed in a container and will be drawn in order
of seeding from highest to lowest.

In the event that scheduled regular season contests cannot be played as originally scheduled, every effort shall be made to reschedule such a contest at the earliest possible date, provided that such rescheduling does not interfere with classes, examination periods, NCAA rules, or other sports prohibitions. If contests cannot be rescheduled and in the event of a first-place tie, the Conference tiebreaker system will be utilized to determine championship game participants or a Conference Champion.
Apologies. I misunderstood.. you are correct.

I didn’t read your response clearly - I originally posted the best possible outcome for the season.
 

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Feb 6, 2007
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So I ran some numbers and made some notes this afternoon. This is a long post, so feel free to TL;DR me on this one.

Total Offensive Plays: 89
Rushing = 57 (64%)
Passing = 32 (36%)
Note: I changed the shovel pass where Stoner lost 9 yards to a run, since to me that's what it was.

I was particularly interested in our 1st down play calling and how we used our non-WRs in the passing game. So...
By my count, we targeted non-WRs (7) times. (3) went to Hubbard, and (4) split between the Cowboy Backs. Which accounted for 22% of our pass attempts. Not bad, actually, but with how Texas was daring us to pass, I think we could have utilized them even more. Jelani was open several times when Sanders threw downfield to a WR instead.

As for 1st downs. It went like this.
Rushing Attempts = 32
Passing Attempts = 8
We ran on 1st down 80% (!!!!!!!) of the time. In the 2nd half, when Gundy said they need to "mix it up", we ran 13 times on 1st down versus passing 5 times, so we went from running 80% of the time to running 72% of the time. Our predictability on 1st down is bonkers. Also, 14 of our (32) 1st down rushing plays resulted in 2 yards or less. That's nearly 44% of the time that we're starting a series of downs behind the chains.

Condensed game notes
1st Half:
Drive 1 [FG] - Mixed it up and scored points. Should have done this the whole game.
Drive 2 [PUNT] - Dropped pass on 3rd down
Drive 3 [INT] - Freshman QB mistake
Drive 4 [FG] - Got cute, then stupid
Drive 5 [TD] - Spencer Sanders
Drive 6 [PUNT] - Texas bails us out with muffed punt
Drive 7 [TD] - Punched it in!

2nd Half:
Drive 1 [FG] - Spencer Sanders can run
Drive 2 [DOWNS] - Should have kicked the FG. <----This, to me, was the pivotal point in the game for us.
Drive 3 [DOWNS] - Should have kicked another FG
Drive 4 [INT] - Desperation mode begins; Players feel sense of urgency, coaches don't
Drive 5 [PUNT] - Real desperation mode begins
Drive 6 [PUNT] - Couldn't put it together, but Texas muffs ANOTHER PUNT!

Drive 7 [TD] - Spencer Sander is a bigger competitor than our coaches

Drives 2-6 in the second half was a BRUTAL stretch with a mix of penalties, bad play calls, and poor execution. Texas did their level best to keep us in this one, but our coaches were even more determined than the Texas team to keep us out of it.

Expanded notes (TL;DR)
1st Half:
When asked by the sideline reporter what Gundy's plan for success was, he stated that we had to be able to rush the ball. Best I can count, we ran about 61% of the time in the first half, even though Texas was committed to stopping the run. Dumb.

Drive 1 [FG] - Mixed it up and scored points. Should have done this the whole game.
5 runs / 4 passes
Notes: Great creativity and mixing up the run and pass, including a beautifully executed fake WR screen to the right then hit an open WR down the seam. Then inexplicably tried 3 runs in the redzone and were forced to kick the FG.
Coaching Grade: B
Execution Grade: A

Drive 2 [PUNT] - Dropped pass on 3rd down
2 runs / 1 pass
Notes: The only thing to remember about this drive was the perfectly placed ball dropped by Stoner :-(
Coaching Grade: A
Execution Grade: C

Drive 3 [INT] - Freshman QB mistake
1 run / 2 passes
Notes: Promising start to the drive ended with a freshman QB mistake. Everyone saw it and knows SS should have run on that play. He'll learn from that.
Coaching = A
Execution = C+

Drive 4 [FG] - Got cute, then stupid
4 runs / 3 passes
Notes: Poorly executed jet sweep resulted in -9 yards, then we followed it up with TERRIBLE zone run play to the short side of the field on 3rd and 8 for a loss of another 4 yards.
Coaching Grade = F
Execution Grade = C+

Drive 5 [TD] - Spencer Sanders
5 runs / 1 pass
Notes: The main story of this drive was the incredible 55 yard bomb to Braydon Johnson and the 7 yard scramble for the TD by SS. Sanders put the team on his back and willed them to this TD.
Coaching Grade = B+
Execution Grade = A++

Drive 6 [PUNT] - Texas bails us out with muffed punt
6 runs / 4 passes
Notes: Looked overall like a promising drive that got screwed up by a sack/fumble.
Coaching Grade = B+
Execution Grade = C+

Drive 7 [TD] - Punched it in!
3 runs / 1 pass
Notes: It was good to see us punch it in from 1 yard line.
Coaching Grade = B+
Execution Grade = A

2nd Half
When asked by the sideline reporter what adjustments needed to made, apparently Gundy said we needed to mix it up more on offense and take what Texas gives us. [laugh out loud]

Drive 1 [FG] - Spencer Sanders can run
9 runs! / 1 pass
Notes: Designed QB runs started happening, and Sanders is good enough to make plays. Also, Texas bailed us out with a personal foul penalty midway through the drive.
Coaching Grade = C+
Execution Grade = A

Drive 2 [DOWNS] - Should have kicked the FG
5 runs / 6 pass
Notes: We should have kicked the FG here. We were down 23-28, and it would have pulled us to within 2. I was not a fan of going for it. I was even less a fan of the call. Really bad 4th&1 play call to run right into a loaded box.
Coaching Grade = F
Execution Grade = C

Drive 3 [DOWNS] - Should have kicked another FG
2 runs / 1 pass
Notes: The interception set us up with fantastic field position. We HAD to get points, here. And we failed.
Coaching Grade = F-
Execution Grade = C

Drive 4 [INT] - Desperation mode begins; Players feel sense of urgency, coaches don't
5 runs / 2 passes
Notes: We were down 16 at this point, near the end of the 3rd quarter. We were moving the ball, but running too much, and a false start killed some brief momentum. Then a good play by Texas defenders killed the drive.
Coaching Grade = C
Execution Grade = B

Drive 5 [PUNT] - Real desperation mode begins.
1 run / 2 passes
Notes: Really started to feel the pressure, but just didn't execute the plays.
Coaching Grade = B
Execution Grade = C

Drive 6 [PUNT] - Couldn't put it together, but Texas muffs ANOTHER PUNT!
3 runs / 2 passes
Notes: Started nice, but killed by two incomplete passes. Until Texas gave us another gift in their second muffed punt of the game.
Coaching Grade = C+
Execution Grade = C

Drive 7 [TD] - Spencer Sander is a bigger competitor than our coaches
3 runs / 4 passes
Notes: The big note is the insane run by Sanders. Just a stunning display of heart and will to win. That, and nearly half of our passes to non-WRs for the game came on this drive (3 out of 7 targets).
Coaching Grade = C+
Execution Grade = A++
 
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As for 1st downs. It went like this.
Rushing Attempts = 32
Passing Attempts = 8
We ran on 1st down 80% (!!!!!!!) of the time. In the 2nd half, when Gundy said they need to "mix it up", we ran 13 times on 1st down versus passing 5 times, so we went from running 80% of the time to running 72% of the time. Our predictability on 1st down is bonkers. Also, 14 of our (32) 1st down rushing plays resulted in 2 yards or less. That's nearly 44% of the time that we're starting a series of downs behind the chains.
WOW! And all of us “social media” fans are just morons for questioning the play calling and predictability.:facepalm:
 
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My last couple of thoughts are at least we can, hopefully, correct the mistakes that caused us to lose. It wasn’t for a lack of talent. And if I were gundy I’d be completely embarrassed I was out coached by an idiot like Tom Herman. You have to coach pretty bad for that to happpen.
We got OWNED at the line on both sides of the ball.The 4th and 1 where Chuba got stopped we had 2 lineman on 1 of their guys and he blew our guys up! The O--line looked TERRIBLE!
 
Oct 30, 2007
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So I ran some numbers and made some notes this afternoon. This is a long post, so feel free to TL;DR me on this one.

Total Offensive Plays: 89
Rushing = 57 (64%)
Passing = 32 (36%)
Note: I changed the shovel pass where Stoner lost 9 yards to a run, since to me that's what it was.

I was particularly interested in our 1st down play calling and how we used our non-WRs in the passing game. So...
By my count, we targeted non-WRs (7) times. (3) went to Hubbard, and (4) split between the Cowboy Backs. Which accounted for 22% of our pass attempts. Not bad, actually, but with how Texas was daring us to pass, I think we could have utilized them even more. Jelani was open several times when Sanders threw downfield to a WR instead.

As for 1st downs. It went like this.
Rushing Attempts = 32
Passing Attempts = 8
We ran on 1st down 80% (!!!!!!!) of the time. In the 2nd half, when Gundy said they need to "mix it up", we ran 13 times on 1st down versus passing 5 times, so we went from running 80% of the time to running 72% of the time. Our predictability on 1st down is bonkers. Also, 14 of our (32) 1st down rushing plays resulted in 2 yards or less. That's nearly 44% of the time that we're starting a series of downs behind the chains.

Condensed game notes
1st Half:
Drive 1 [FG] - Mixed it up and scored points. Should have done this the whole game.
Drive 2 [PUNT] - Dropped pass on 3rd down
Drive 3 [INT] - Freshman QB mistake
Drive 4 [FG] - Got cute, then stupid
Drive 5 [TD] - Spencer Sanders
Drive 6 [PUNT] - Texas bails us out with muffed punt
Drive 7 [TD] - Punched it in!

2nd Half:
Drive 1 [FG] - Spencer Sanders can run
Drive 2 [DOWNS] - Should have kicked the FG. <----This, to me, was the pivotal point in the game for us.
Drive 3 [DOWNS] - Should have kicked another FG
Drive 4 [INT] - Desperation mode begins; Players feel sense of urgency, coaches don't
Drive 5 [PUNT] - Real desperation mode begins
Drive 6 [PUNT] - Couldn't put it together, but Texas muffs ANOTHER PUNT!

Drive 7 [TD] - Spencer Sander is a bigger competitor than our coaches

Drives 2-6 in the second half was a BRUTAL stretch with a mix of penalties, bad play calls, and poor execution. Texas did their level best to keep us in this one, but our coaches were even more determined than the Texas team to keep us out of it.

Expanded notes (TL;DR)
1st Half:
When asked by the sideline reporter what Gundy's plan for success was, he stated that we had to be able to rush the ball. Best I can count, we ran about 61% of the time in the first half, even though Texas was committed to stopping the run. Dumb.

Drive 1 [FG] - Mixed it up and scored points. Should have done this the whole game.
5 runs / 4 passes
Notes: Great creativity and mixing up the run and pass, including a beautifully executed fake WR screen to the right then hit an open WR down the seam. Then inexplicably tried 3 runs in the redzone and were forced to kick the FG.
Coaching Grade: B
Execution Grade: A

Drive 2 [PUNT] - Dropped pass on 3rd down
2 runs / 1 pass
Notes: The only thing to remember about this drive was the perfectly placed ball dropped by Stoner :-(
Coaching Grade: A
Execution Grade: C

Drive 3 [INT] - Freshman QB mistake
1 run / 2 passes
Notes: Promising start to the drive ended with a freshman QB mistake. Everyone saw it and knows SS should have run on that play. He'll learn from that.
Coaching = A
Execution = C+

Drive 4 [FG] - Got cute, then stupid
4 runs / 3 passes
Notes: Poorly executed jet sweep resulted in -9 yards, then we followed it up with TERRIBLE zone run play to the short side of the field on 3rd and 8 for a loss of another 4 yards.
Coaching Grade = F
Execution Grade = C+

Drive 5 [TD] - Spencer Sanders
5 runs / 1 pass
Notes: The main story of this drive was the incredible 55 yard bomb to Braydon Johnson and the 7 yard scramble for the TD by SS. Sanders put the team on his back and willed them to this TD.
Coaching Grade = B+
Execution Grade = A++

Drive 6 [PUNT] - Texas bails us out with muffed punt
6 runs / 4 passes
Notes: Looked overall like a promising drive that got screwed up by a sack/fumble.
Coaching Grade = B+
Execution Grade = C+

Drive 7 [TD] - Punched it in!
3 runs / 1 pass
Notes: It was good to see us punch it in from 1 yard line.
Coaching Grade = B+
Execution Grade = A

2nd Half
When asked by the sideline reporter what adjustments needed to made, apparently Gundy said we needed to mix it up more on offense and take what Texas gives us. [laugh out loud]

Drive 1 [FG] - Spencer Sanders can run
9 runs! / 1 pass
Notes: Designed QB runs started happening, and Sanders is good enough to make plays. Also, Texas bailed us out with a personal foul penalty midway through the drive.
Coaching Grade = C+
Execution Grade = A

Drive 2 [DOWNS] - Should have kicked the FG
5 runs / 6 pass
Notes: We should have kicked the FG here. We were down 23-28, and it would have pulled us to within 2. I was not a fan of going for it. I was even less a fan of the call. Really bad 4th&1 play call to run right into a loaded box.
Coaching Grade = F
Execution Grade = C

Drive 3 [DOWNS] - Should have kicked another FG
2 runs / 1 pass
Notes: The interception set us up with fantastic field position. We HAD to get points, here. And we failed.
Coaching Grade = F-
Execution Grade = C

Drive 4 [INT] - Desperation mode begins; Players feel sense of urgency, coaches don't
5 runs / 2 passes
Notes: We were down 16 at this point, near the end of the 3rd quarter. We were moving the ball, but running too much, and a false start killed some brief momentum. Then a good play by Texas defenders killed the drive.
Coaching Grade = C
Execution Grade = B

Drive 5 [PUNT] - Real desperation mode begins.
1 run / 2 passes
Notes: Really started to feel the pressure, but just didn't execute the plays.
Coaching Grade = B
Execution Grade = C

Drive 6 [PUNT] - Couldn't put it together, but Texas muffs ANOTHER PUNT!
3 runs / 2 passes
Notes: Started nice, but killed by two incomplete passes. Until Texas gave us another gift in their second muffed punt of the game.
Coaching Grade = C+
Execution Grade = C

Drive 7 [TD] - Spencer Sander is a bigger competitor than our coaches
3 runs / 4 passes
Notes: The big note is the insane run by Sanders. Just a stunning display of heart and will to win. That, and nearly half of our passes to non-WRs for the game came on this drive (3 out of 7 targets).
Coaching Grade = C+
Execution Grade = A++
Cliff notes:
Coach Gundy in his Monday press conference: "We have to take what the defense gives us."
Coach Gundy before the game: "We have to establish the run, but take what the defense gives us."
Coach Gundy at halftime: "Texas is daring us to throw the ball, we have to mix the playcalling up."
Final stats: 56 runs & 33 passes. :facepalm:

Everyone knew that Texas would try to stop the run and make Sanders beat them through the air. Coach Gundy knew it as well. He said all of the right things, but it didn't translate to playcalling. He was afraid to let a freshman quarterback try to win the game with his arm on the road in Austin. We might've lost the game anyways, but at least we would've left it all on the field.
 
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In the end it was a game we could have won on the road with a feshman QB. I just REALLY wish we would utilize Jenlani Woods more, looks like he would be a great target especially in the red zone.