Question regarding the public reactions to racism

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i mean how many items would you like named. What about criminal justice sentencing reform. How can two people commit the same crime and recieve vastly different sentences would you like me to show you examples? I could see someone getting 6 years vs 8 years for armed robbery but what the hell is this? For all those that cry about family structure of blacks this would help.


https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/c...udge-unfair-sentencing-goes-viral/5343396002/
There are times when the criminal justice system leaves you scratching your head, but the details surrounding these two convictions are vastly different than what's been portrayed in the media.

http://12circuit.state.fl.us/Portal...blic-response/Response to Tribune Article.pdf
Mr. Legleitner did not possess a firearm and came to the crime late, whereas Mr. Lloyd committed two robberies with a firearm and a mask. He drove to Pizza Hut, robbed the cashier, then immediately drove to Sunoco, robbed the cashier then was stopped by police. Mr. Legleitner, in comparison, walked in when friends were planning on stealing from people they knew to be carrying narcotics (they wanted to steal the narcotics). Stealing from a drug user/dealer does not weigh as heavily in sentencing as stealing from a place of business with a ski mask and a gun. Both are bad, but one has more weight than the other when considering aggravating factors.

Mr. Lloyd had bonded out of jail just seven days after his arrest for armed robbery with a deadly weapon. While out on bond, Mr. Lloyd committed a number of additional offenses. He committed an aggravated battery, possession of concealed firearm, and resisting arrest with violence. These additional crimes could have been considered aggravating factors at sentencing at that time. (See sentencing transcripts, hearing date 7- 23-10, case number: 432009CF393B).

Another aggravating factor that led Mr. Lloyd to a greater sentence: he committed the two robberies of a business with a gun in a car where he left his minor children in the back seat. His car eventually had to be taken down with a “felony stop”—meaning that police officers had to stop the vehicle with their guns drawn, putting the minor children at great risk of bodily harm and death. Yet, Mr. Lloyd attempted to use his children as an excuse to avoid a harsher sentence.
 
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There are times when the criminal justice system leaves you scratching your head, but the details surrounding these two convictions are vastly different than what's been portrayed in the media.

http://12circuit.state.fl.us/Portal...blic-response/Response to Tribune Article.pdf
Mr. Legleitner did not possess a firearm and came to the crime late, whereas Mr. Lloyd committed two robberies with a firearm and a mask. He drove to Pizza Hut, robbed the cashier, then immediately drove to Sunoco, robbed the cashier then was stopped by police. Mr. Legleitner, in comparison, walked in when friends were planning on stealing from people they knew to be carrying narcotics (they wanted to steal the narcotics). Stealing from a drug user/dealer does not weigh as heavily in sentencing as stealing from a place of business with a ski mask and a gun. Both are bad, but one has more weight than the other when considering aggravating factors.

Mr. Lloyd had bonded out of jail just seven days after his arrest for armed robbery with a deadly weapon. While out on bond, Mr. Lloyd committed a number of additional offenses. He committed an aggravated battery, possession of concealed firearm, and resisting arrest with violence. These additional crimes could have been considered aggravating factors at sentencing at that time. (See sentencing transcripts, hearing date 7- 23-10, case number: 432009CF393B).

Another aggravating factor that led Mr. Lloyd to a greater sentence: he committed the two robberies of a business with a gun in a car where he left his minor children in the back seat. His car eventually had to be taken down with a “felony stop”—meaning that police officers had to stop the vehicle with their guns drawn, putting the minor children at great risk of bodily harm and death. Yet, Mr. Lloyd attempted to use his children as an excuse to avoid a harsher sentence.
I guess my example was on point. Thanks for posting.
 

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It's the systemic part that I get hung up on. Racism exists. Probably to a lesser extent than we are told by some politicians and media, but it exists. The word "systemic" implies companies allow it to take place or encourage it. I challenge you to find any company of any size who encourages racism or even looks the other way. Actually all companies of any size actively work against it. Search any company you can think of, go to their website, and click "careers" or "jobs", you will quickly find an abundance of testimony about their efforts towards diversity.
The systemic word means that it is a problem in the system, not isolated. If it were isolated, the overall data would not show it or the focal areas of problem would stand out. For example, the black unemployment rate would be the same as others in Wisconsin but higher in Alabama. Or, homeownership rates might be lower but business ownership rates are higher. Instead, the problems appear to be spread throughout the system.

As far as how much exists, don't go by what anyone on either side tells you. Just look at the data.
Data is that black unemployment was at an all time low before the virus. And you want data, the rates of all those things in large inner cities is greater than urban areas. Democrat run large cities are most of the problem.
I know a lot of people from all nationalities/colors/backgrounds, the only truly racist one I know was a Latino that for some reason hated Asians. He just didn't like them. I see businesses go out of their way to make sure they hire black people when they apply. I see people tip toe around blacks to avoid offending them. My friends laugh at this because if they took time to focus on it they get mad. Mad at liberals and thug culture, for making people feel that way.

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Trump has actually put through the beginnings of prison reform in the "First Step Act" and promised more. This was before all of what's going on right now. Values of personal responsibility and character are what conservatives push and those mean with what a large majority of blacks agree with. We also promote economic independence. And we promote this no matter what your skin color is. That's just a few reasons they should vote Republican/conservative.

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i think a better argument could be made blacks should vote for a third party candidate. The democrats dont do anything for you vote for the republicans is a lazy argument in my opinion. The Republicans passed a prison reform bill LAST MONTH and now blacks should vote republican? The democrats under obama had the clemency act and other initiatives. The republicans have no identity at the moment. They are functioning more as moderates if anything. The republicans are no longer fiscally conservative they are blowing through money left and right and having tons of wasteful spending. The christian values? Trump did a photoshoot at the church but send me a photo with him sitting in a church for service. They are handing out welfare like a socialist country and trump is behaving like a dictator. 9 of the top 10 poorest states voted republican. So if republicans wont take care of their rural base now why would blacks be better voting republican?? I hear this all of the time I am really intrigued. View attachment 82914
Who put through the three strikes law? And the first step act was last year.

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Data is that black unemployment was at an all time low before the virus. And you want data, the rates of all those things in large inner cities is greater than urban areas. Democrat run large cities are most of the problem.
I know a lot of people from all nationalities/colors/backgrounds, the only truly racist one I know was a Latino that for some reason hated Asians. He just didn't like them. I see businesses go out of their way to make sure they hire black people when they apply. I see people tip toe around blacks to avoid offending them. My friends laugh at this because if they took time to focus on it they get mad. Mad at liberals and thug culture, for making people feel that way.

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Black unemployment was at an all-time low. As was all unemployment.
And, if you look now, it appears the differential between the two has increased again.
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That's because you're a simpleton. All anyone has to do to see what your garbage group has evolved into is look at all the burned, looted cities or read a headline from one of the cities that have suffered for decades under dem failed leadership. How many blacks do blacks have to kill before you godless losers look in the mirror and see the generational failures of you ignorant, faux-benevolent arrogance? Margaret Sanger would love you guys.
How about you tell me what they have evolved into? You have no idea. You are the epitome of whats wrong with the country. We need to upgrade our educational system. You cannot make any logical argument so you resort to some garbage you heard on fox news. How about you point to specific examples to support your theory. Show us policy examples to support what you claim.
 

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The decrease in black unemployment started under obama and now its back up under trump. But don’t let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy.
ahhh so Covid was a direct cause of Trumps inauguration? If so he 'inherited' it from your boy big zero. You can't judge unemployment after the shutdown as Trump mainly left that up to the states to decide how much and how long to shut down. Trump, as a conservative, allowed the states to decide mainly what was best for them. Which was a good thing.
 

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The decrease in black unemployment started under obama and now its back up under trump. But don’t let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy.
The decrease in black unemployment started under obama and now its back up under trump. But don’t let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy.
Your being disingenuous, before Covid hit unemployment under Trump was at all time lows for all races and employment was at record highs.
 
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The decrease in black unemployment started under obama and now its back up under trump. But don’t let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy.
The decrease in black unemployment started under obama and now its back up under trump. But don’t let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy.
Your being disingenuous, before Covid hit unemployment under Trump was at all time lows for all races and employment was at record highs.
That, or he’s just plain dumb. Either way, he’s accurately representing the Dems on that subject.


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Jostate

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Data is that black unemployment was at an all time low before the virus.
I think the lesson from that is we all do better or worse together. However if something hurts the economy the rich are relatively unaffected, and the poor take the hit. We will always have debates about what is best for the economy, but I wish we could see it as an economic debate and not about race. We do better as a country if we see ourselves as Americans first and not primarily as race, gender, sexual identity, and age. By historical standards shortly after white racists lost the battle on segregation, liberals picked up the baton and started trying to go down that path again.
 

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DeSean Jackson's grossly anti-Semetic comments made only the margin stories of espn.com. Had it been a white athlete, there would be non-stop special reports, breaking news, and blaring headlines in every news outlet.

The slap on the wrist will be so light after his "sorry, not sorry" non-apology, he will barely even feel it.
 

wrenhal

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Democrats founded and funded KKK, killed Lincoln, were the segregationists and must change history to coverup consistent racism. Facts, facts, facts.
if we were voting on the 1890 ballot that would matter. William clay said this is my fav quote about politics. “This is quite a game, politics. There are no permanent enemies, and no permanent friends, only permanent interests."
And the permanent interest of the Democrat party is to keep having blacks feel like victims of this mysterious overwhelming oppression that all whites are somehow unconsciously a part of and must apologize for.

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