The OFFICIAL Realignment Meltdown Thread

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JoeHero

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When the revenue distribution becomes so lopsided what's the point of even having athletic competition anymore? It defeats the purpose of even having a conference, except for scheduling convenience.
 
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I just find it really interesting, particularly on this board, that equity sharing is viewed in such a positive light. Granted i might be making assumptions with regard to the political leanings of fellow posters, however it seems like this approach (equitable payouts regardless of value added) is the antithesis of how the majority of Oklahomans vote. The system we have in place is a winner take all system, that stratifies the conference with little way for schools (not named Texas) to even the playing field.

This reminds me of an article i read in regards to how the MLS is structured vs. the European football leagues. What was striking is that the MLS is structured with equity in mind, and therefore this aren't dominant teams. The European model allows more money to beget more money, and you end up with 1 or 2 teams that lord over everyone. Ironic considering the economic models of the countries involved.
Wanting equality in a partnership is not socialistic. It's merely good business.
 
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It seems to me like it will just come down to yet another game of chicken. With Nebraska and aTm gone, the little guys now have 77% majority (7/9) or 75% (6/8 if Mizzou leaves). I believe 75% is the magic number in the Big XII, so we can make things happen. Change revenue structures, etc.

But Texas (and perhaps OU) can threaten to leave if things move towards equality (aka stability). Would they really leave? Where would they go? Not the Big10, not the SEC, and not the ACC. And now (maybe) the Pac is off the table as well. All they can threaten to do is go independent. I don't think they would do that. So in theory the little guys should have the power now and be able to push through their agenda.

Would ISU, KSU, and Baylor make those demands? Would they stand by them despite any Texas posturing about leaving? Probably not. They have too much to lose. We have (or think we have) a backup plan of riding OU's coattails wherever they end up if the BigXII falls apart. Those other schools don't. So my guess is they blink and do what Texas wants.

But if I were Holder or Hargis I would try to get that voting block together. Hold a meeting without OU and UT. Come up with a position. Stick by it. If it all falls apart I think we end up ok. Gotta convince the others that the only way they end up ok is in a better BigXII. Now is the time, not after we add a BYU or whomever.
I think the difference is that the 7 of 9 will have the needed majority to effect any change they want after A&M leaves. And if Boren means what he says, they have it now. My inclination would be to put him to the test. Deaton needs to call a meeting and see how Boren votes.
 

JoeHero

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Texas can go anywhere they want. They would have to give up the lhn, but they could literally go anywhere they desire. The only people with leverage is UT, ou then a distant third Missouri. ou gives up almost all of their leverage if they maintain their commitment to OSU. Texas can do what they want and the rest of the conference has to take it. If they band together and demand concessions that are unacceptable to ut, ut goes elsewhere and the big XII is still screwed.
 
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I think the difference is that the 7 of 9 will have the needed majority to effect any change they want after A&M leaves. And if Boren means what he says, they have it now. My inclination would be to put him to the test. Deaton needs to call a meeting and see how Boren votes.
No the facts are that OU and UT are meeting to iron out how they can reap the benefit that has been handed to them, and they will call in the other 7 schools later and tell them what is expected of them.

Dodds is already out there stating they are not changing a thing about the LHN, that there will be no expansion, and that he doesn't care what happens to Beebe. Oh, and OU will have their own network soon. Yep that's the winning formula for OSU.
 
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ESPN has great sports programming, but their sports "reporting and analysis" is a joke. I've been fed up with ESPN and it's agendas for a long time now. They get no viewership from me outside of a sporting event. Versus (or NBC sports or whatever it's called now) needs to step up and become a competitor in the news and analysis part.
On top of that they worked hard to get the LHN up and going, so of course their going to work behind the secenes to try and keep that together. anything that will jeprodize that, they will do anything to stop it. we will never hear about it but i have a feeling that espn has a lot to do with UT not changing or willing to change the LHN to go to the PAC
 
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On top of that they worked hard to get the LHN up and going, so of course their going to work behind the secenes to try and keep that together. anything that will jeprodize that, they will do anything to stop it. we will never hear about it but i have a feeling that espn has a lot to do with UT not changing or willing to change the LHN to go to the PAC
Well they were a huge factor, but it may just be because they are willing to bankroll Dodds drive for a conference where each school controls it's own media rights. I think Dodds did all the heavy lifting just having the contract allowed him to. He could never have done this if it was all on UT's dime.
 
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No the facts are that OU and UT are meeting to iron out how they can reap the benefit that has been handed to them, and they will call in the other 7 schools later and tell them what is expected of them.

Dodds is already out there stating they are not changing a thing about the LHN, that there will be no expansion, and that he doesn't care what happens to Beebe. Oh, and OU will have their own network soon. Yep that's the winning formula for OSU.
They way I understood it was that the oklahoma network was split between OSU and OU

But were now screwed regardless. I hate you Texas
 
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Don't know if this has already been posted, 19 pages is a lot to go through. Supposedly some source at ou said that ou and OSU were just using this mostly for leverage to get changes made to the current Big 12 structure and that they believe they still have the votes to get the changes made. Also, repeatedly talked about how hard ou and OSU were both working behind the scenes to get change made. It's actually a pretty good article that if were true shows at least a partnership mentality instead of a big/little brother mentality. Of course there are also things in the article that makes this just sound like someone making excuses for why ou wasn't invited to the PAC-12.
 
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Don't know if this has already been posted, 19 pages is a lot to go through. Supposedly some source at ou said that ou and OSU were just using this mostly for leverage to get changes made to the current Big 12 structure and that they believe they still have the votes to get the changes made. Also, repeatedly talked about how hard ou and OSU were both working behind the scenes to get change made. It's actually a pretty good article that if were true shows at least a partnership mentality instead of a big/little brother mentality. Of course there are also things in the article that makes this just sound like someone making excuses for why ou wasn't invited to the PAC-12.
Sounds like a bunch of B.S. spin to save face after a humiliating public rejection.
 

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Doomsday scenario I foresee: SEC invites Mizzou, OU, and Kansas. They add four new markets, including Texas and KC, and get two big fish in OU football and KU basketball. Politics be damned, OU can say they tried to get us in the Pac, but Texas screwed it up. OU's only shot at stability is to join the SEC at that point. Everyone wants to save OSU, but they can't sacrifice OU for the sake of OSU. Texas is forced to go Independent. OSU, Tech, Baylor, KSU, and ISU are left for Big East, if they'll have us.

p.s. That is my meltdown scenario (some rationality is out the window here) since this is the meltdown thread.
 
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Doomsday scenario I foresee: SEC invites Mizzou, OU, and Kansas. They add four new markets, including Texas and KC, and get two big fish in OU football and KU basketball. Politics be damned, OU can say they tried to get us in the Pac, but Texas screwed it up. OU's only shot at stability is to join the SEC at that point. Everyone wants to save OSU, but they can't sacrifice OU for the sake of OSU. Texas is forced to go Independent. OSU, Tech, Baylor, KSU, and ISU are left for Big East, if they'll have us.

p.s. That is my meltdown scenario (some rationality is out the window here) since this is the meltdown thread.
Yep, I've already seen a few posts from goons saying they had an unconditional offer last year from the SEC, but they didn't take it because they wanted us to be a package deal.
 

PistolPete'sMustache

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SEC would take OU in a heartbeat. OU has resisted. But in this new landscape of instability, they may need to reconsider. SEC has been very clear they don't want us. Television markets and all, blah, blah, blah.