UFC - Sport for Street Thugs?

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RoVerto Solo

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Hmmm....judo, karate, tae kwon do, jiu-jitsu, boxing, wrestling, and just about any other martial art out there have sport matches for entertainment. Good to see you feel qualified to speak on behalf of the entire martial arts community about what their arts were "created for".

It is every bit as regulated and controlled as any of those other martial arts. Fewer opponents are seriously injured in MMA than just about any of those other sports.

Don't like it? Don't watch. Then your delicate sensibilities won't be offended.
I don't like it and I don't go out of my way to watch it. I don't go out of my way to watch the slaughter of animals in the dirt of coliseums either.

Boy JD, have you got me wrong. I'm usually far from delicate, but I do have a soft side. I just find making sport out of something that was designed to defend and kill wrong. I also find the teasing and killing of animals in a ring not sport either.
 

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Almost all sports were originally started as a way to mimic combat. Football has offensive and defensive lines. They have "The Blitz" "The Bomb" "The Bullet Pass" "Air & Ground Attacks". Compound fractures, Broken Ribs, Concussions, and even ruptured spleans aren't unheard of in this game. I don't understand why one is okay, but the other is for "thugs".
 

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I just find making sport out of something that was designed to defend and kill wrong.
Do you have any first hand experiences with these forms of combat? Have you ever trained in any of them or been surrounded by those who have on a regular basis?

Do you KNOW any of these athletes that you have taken upon yourself to label "thugs"?
 

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To say that MMA is a sport for "thugs" is a statement of pure ignorance and quite frankly makes a person sound like a snob.
I'm sure there are a few redeeming qualities in making another man submit to end his pain and to avoid possible damage to his body for commercial gain. At least one member has provided that for me.

It really does come down to sensibility and "good sense" of what one thinks is right and wrong. I don't look forward to the duals to the death that will come next on the tube either.
 

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I don't like it and I don't go out of my way to watch it. I don't go out of my way to watch the slaughter of animals in the dirt of coliseums either.

Boy JD, have you got me wrong. I'm usually far from delicate, but I do have a soft side. I just find making sport out of something that was designed to defend and kill wrong. I also find the teasing and killing of animals in a ring not sport either.
Your comparison is a ridiculous and idiotic. Notice, I didn't call YOU ridiculous or idiotic. I called your comparison ridiculous and idiotic.

I still find it interesting that you purport to speak with absolute certainty about the development and purposes of the martial arts. There has been a sporting tradition in martial arts throughout history....from the very beginning.
 

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I'm sure there are a few redeeming qualities in making another man submit to end his pain and possible damage to his body for commercial gain. At least one member has provided that for me.

It really does come down to sensibility and "good sense" of what one thinks is right and wrong. I don't look forward to the duals to the death that will come next on the tube either.
Well I guess you really are a better person than everybody who disagrees with you about the sport of MMA. Congrats.
 

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You do not have to defend wrestling. I love to watch a good collegiate match.
It's a martial art, used as a sport for the entertainment of others. How in the world can you condone such behavior? :rolleyes: What kind of barbarian are you?

I was pointing out that your condemnation of mixed martial arts sounds a whole lot like the criticisms of collegiate wrestling I hear for ignorant, uneducated critics of that sport.
 

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I'm sure there are a few redeeming qualities in making another man submit to end his pain and possible damage to his body for commercial gain. At least one member has provided that for me.

It really does come down to sensibility and "good sense" of what one thinks is right and wrong. I don't look forward to the duals to the death that will come next on the tube either.
Another completely ridiculous comparison. MMA has fewer permanent injuries than just about any other sport. Comparing it to "death duels" is silly.

I'm sure there are a few redeeming qualities in slamming your body into other bodies thereby causing pain and possible damage to everyone involved for the purposes of advancing or prohibiting the advance of a leather sphere 10 yards for commercial gain as well.

I guess it does come down to "good sense"...and you're not exhibiting much by arguing you're somehow morally superior to those that happen to disagree with you.
 

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Almost all sports were originally started as a way to mimic combat. Football has offensive and defensive lines. They have "The Blitz" "The Bomb" "The Bullet Pass" "Air & Ground Attacks". Compound fractures, Broken Ribs, Concussions, and even ruptured spleans aren't unheard of in this game. I don't understand why one is okay, but the other is for "thugs".
Injuries are part of sports, but they should not and are not the goal of most sports. Only two sports come to mind that use injuries to score points. The first is the manly art of self-defense and the other is this missionary position sport thing. :)
 

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Injuries are part of sports, but they should not and are not the goal of most sports. Only two sports come to mind that use injuries to score points. The first is the manly art of self-defense and the other is this missionary position sport thing. :)
MMA doe not use "injuries to score points". The more you talk about MMA, the more you show you have no idea what you're talking about.

BTW, MMA has fewer permanent or serious injuries than just about any other major sport.....certainly less than boxing, football, soccer, basketball, etc.
 

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Do you have any first hand experiences with these forms of combat? Have you ever trained in any of them or been surrounded by those who have on a regular basis?

Do you KNOW any of these athletes that you have taken upon yourself to label "thugs"?
I'm still waiting for an answer to this question.
 

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Injuries are part of sports, but they should not and are not the goal of most sports. Only two sports come to mind that use injuries to score points. The first is the manly art of self-defense and the other is this missionary position sport thing. :)
I assure you D'Ends are trying to damage the quarterback as much as possible.
 

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It's a martial art, used as a sport for the entertainment of others. How in the world can you condone such behavior? :rolleyes: What kind of barbarian are you?

I was pointing out that your condemnation of mixed martial arts sounds a whole lot like the criticisms of collegiate wrestling I hear for ignorant, uneducated critics of that sport.
You keep using these words ridiculous, ignorant and uneducated. Pretty pointed words JD, especially when they are pointed at my direction.

I understand the desire for some collegiate wrestlers and those of the martial arts to seek financial gain professionally, but I don't have to accept the message it sends to our youth on a daily basis, that is beating another man into submission for fun and money is OK.
 

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Well I guess you really are a better person than everybody who disagrees with you about the sport of MMA. Congrats.
Sure, you are absolutely right. I am a better person than anyone that disagrees with me on this subject. That is really what this is all about isn't it. :rolleyes:
 

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Another completely ridiculous comparison. MMA has fewer permanent injuries than just about any other sport. Comparing it to "death duels" is silly.

I'm sure there are a few redeeming qualities in slamming your body into other bodies thereby causing pain and possible damage to everyone involved for the purposes of advancing or prohibiting the advance of a leather sphere 10 yards for commercial gain as well.

I guess it does come down to "good sense"...and you're not exhibiting much by arguing you're somehow morally superior to those that happen to disagree with you.
Boy, have I touch a nerve. :D
 

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Sure, you are absolutely right. I am a better person than anyone that disagrees with me on this subject. That is really what this is all about isn't it. :rolleyes:
Well that is EXACTLY how you are making it sound. Intended or not, that is how you are coming off and it looks like I'm not the only one who thinks so.

You've pretty much called these athletes of MMA "thugs" from the very get go and talked down to anybody who has defended this sport. Basically the same way you've discussed anything on this board. With a superior, snobby attitude.

Boy, have I touch a nerve. :D
Perfect example right here.
 
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Neither you or Siciliano know what you're talking about. I'm a huge fan of boxing, but the mental aspect involved in MMA is much more involved and extensive than that in boxing. Comments like this are coming from guys that don't understand the ground game of MMA. In no way is it the dumbing down of boxing. In fact, it's the opposite. It's boxing with more intelligence and technique.



I'm a big UFC fan, wanna ask me the question? I haven't been in a street fight for ages, but it's not because I live vicariously through others. It's because I'm smart enough to avoid situations requiring the necessity to resort to unregulated physical violence and mature enough to understand that the measure of a man isn't purely physical combat.

As far as "living vicariously through others" by UFC fans....how is that any different than any other sports fan that gets enjoyment from the accomplishments of others? It's not. I enjoy the sport because....as you said...I have much respect for the skill of those involved in the sport. I admire their dedication and skill. I find the ground game combined with striking to be more interesting intellectually than exhibitions involving only grappling or striking (though I enjoy watching and participating in those too).

As usual, when I speak in GENERALITIES, Someone always likes to be the exception (that makes the rule true*)

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I challenge you to do one thing: Watch the Anderson Silva fight on March 1st. I'm sure there will be a sports bar in your area where you can catch it.

Shoot, don't even watch the fight, just turn your head until it's over, then turn it back and watch what he does after he beats Dan Henderson. First, he'll run around a bit, who wouldn't? Then, he'll drop to his knees and pray for what seems like an eternity. Then, in the interview, he will thank God for his gifts and praise his opponent to no end.

Yup, sounds like a thug to me. Straight-up street punk.

Hey, fireman, where is Tank Abbot when you need him to win an argument?
 
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