Herp Derp Weeden out in cleveland ?

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We all know that the worst place for Weeden to land was Cleveland and its debatable if he is a bust or not . I personally don't buy into that he is a bust because the Browns have little talent around him.
Unfortunately the CBS pregame show, the guy who's name escapes me came on and told the guys that changes will be made and not only the coach and offensive coordinator are likely out and the owner doesn't like Weeden so Boomer said Weeden is probably gone too.


if Weeden is moved where can he succeed ? will Dallas make a trade ? I cant see that but it could happen .
Would it be better for Weeden to land in Kansas City ? I might be able to see him land there but isn't K.C. set at QB ?

Oakland , are they set at QB ?

If we had a pool I will bet he lands in either Jacksonville or Buffalo .

is it a far fetched possibility to see him in Arizona ?
I know there are a ton of Romo haters, but he's much better than BW at this point.. But that's to be expected. He's a rookie. Problem is, he's being outplayed by pretty much every rookie QB in the league.. That and he's 29 years old.
 

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I'm a big fan of Brandon's but imo he's not anywhere near an nfl qb at this point and hasn't shown very much improvement during the year.
What an ignorant statement. He was a rookie this year and didn't have a single receiver that could start for any other team in the NFL. Think about that.

Even if you think Weeden isn't good enough to start in Cleveland, to say that he's "not an NFL quarterback" is just idiotic. Is Brady Quinn an NFL quarterback? Blaine Gabbert? Nick Foles? Kevin Kolb? Matt Flynn? Because those guys all started NFL games this year.
Do I need to go name all the #2 quarterbacks in the league as well? Do you believe that
Weeden doesn't have what it takes to be even a backup in the league?
 
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Honestly I don't think its the O-line, WR, or any of the players fault. Weeden has been used to a Air Raid, fast pace offense. Their run game has been terrible, which puts all the pressure on him to make plays. He needs another year with an offense, and change it to something like the Patriots run.
^This. His OLine has been touted as one of the best in pass pro in the nfl and gives him 5+ seconds to throw multiple times a game. I've watched most of their games on my CPU and here's what I think: Pat Shurmur and Brad Childress are both terrible. It's laughable watching the great coaching in Washington put their rookies in situations that suit their strengths while Shurmur puts his rookies, in a situation of having to fit his system. Good coaches mend the game to suit their players' strengths, while Shurmur just loads his crappy ideas onto the player's backs and forces them to play his style football. Shurmur hasn't improved one single player's abilities. Richardson looks terrible in this offense as well (3.2ypa).

All that being noted, I still have to say that BW has played terribly, especially at Home. His batted balls are mostly because of the system and all the chicken ish shallow routes they run, but no one is noting that- its his fault, not the play design. He never gets to go from the shotgun, which is retarded from any standpoint, but his choices and reads of when and where to throw have been awful, and possibly been much worse than his numbers show. He's had a lot, and I mean A LOT, of passes dropped that should have been INTs.

I think he needs a fresh start under a more spread-oriented coach, but I really don't think his skill position players in Cleveland have his back anymore. He just misses wide open receivers all the time. I think playing for an inexperienced, mostly rookie/sophomore roster and an unproven HC that runs a terribly predictable version of the WCO has possibly hurt his abilities, permanently. He may never get his confidence back, and I really don't see his recievers/TEs having confidence in him if he stays in Cleveland.

Pat Shurmur is ruining his game, but he hasn't really put up a fight to stop him from doing it to him, either. He needs to grow some balls and start audibling and calling his own plays. Shurmur is a lame duck, so BW might as well try playing to his own strengths. The sad part is the Browns defense has been dominant at times this season, so getting into the playoffs in the AFCNorth may never have been easier than this season. I hope he gets traded to Arizona so he can work for Whisenhunt, who knows how scheme a modern offense.
 
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^This. His OLine has been touted as one of the best in pass pro in the nfl and gives him 5+ seconds to throw multiple times a game. I've watched most of their games on my CPU and here's what I think: Pat Shurmur and Brad Childress are both terrible. It's laughable watching the great coaching in Washington put their rookies in situations that suit their strengths while Shurmur puts his rookies, in a situation of having to fit his system. Good coaches mend the game to suit their players' strengths, while Shurmur just loads his crappy ideas onto the player's backs and forces them to play his style football. Shurmur hasn't improved one single player's abilities. Richardson looks terrible in this offense as well (3.2ypa). All that being noted, I still have to say that BW has played terribly, especially at Home. His batted balls are mostly because of the system and all the chicken ish shallow routes they run, but no one is noting that- its his fault, not the play design. He never gets to go from the shotgun, which is retarded from any standpoint, but his choices and reads of when and where to throw have been awful, and possibly been much worse than his numbers show. He's had a lot, and I mean A LOT, of passes dropped that should have been INTs. I think he needs a fresh start under a more spread-oriented coach, but I really don't think his skill position players in Cleveland have his back anymore. He just misses wide open receivers all the time. I think playing for an inexperienced, mostly rookie/sophomore roster and an unproven HC that runs a terribly predictable version of the WCO has possibly hurt his abilities. He may never get his confidence back, and I really don't see his recievers/TEs having confidence in him if he stays in Cleveland. Pat Shurmur is ruining his game, but he hasn't really put up a fight to stop him from doing it to him, either. He needs to grow some balls and start audibling and calling his own plays. Shurmur is a lame duck, so Weeden might as well try playing to his strengths. The sad part is the Browns defense has been dominant at times this season, so getting into the playoffs in the AFCNorth may never have been easier than this season. I hope he gets traded to Arizona so he can work for Whisenhunt, who knows how scheme a modern offense.
I can't read this. How about a paragraph break every once in a while.
 

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What an ignorant statement. He was a rookie this year and didn't have a single receiver that could start for any other team in the NFL. Think about that.

Even if you think Weeden isn't good enough to start in Cleveland, to say that he's "not an NFL quarterback" is just idiotic. Is Brady Quinn an NFL quarterback? Blaine Gabbert? Nick Foles? Kevin Kolb? Matt Flynn? Because those guys all started NFL games this year.
Do I need to go name all the #2 quarterbacks in the league as well? Do you believe that
Weeden doesn't have what it takes to be even a backup in the league?
Let me rephrase that statement for you. He's isn't a very good starting qb. I stand by my general premise though, he hasn't been very good. And at this point do I don't think he's gonna make it, notice I said "at this point". I haven't seen much to lead me to believe he'll make it.

And just because your playing qb in the NFL doesn't make you an NFL qb. The guys you mentioned probably won't be starting many games or many more games in their life. It's the toughest position in sport to play and there's only about 6-8 guys in the league now that can play the position well and consistantly.
 

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Let me rephrase that statement for you. He's isn't a very good starting qb.
That's not "rephrasing your statement", that's changing your statement altogether.

And just because your playing qb in the NFL doesn't make you an NFL qb.
Actually, that's precisely what makes you an NFL quarterback...playing quarterback in the NFL. :rolleyes:
 

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That's not "rephrasing your statement", that's changing your statement altogether.



Actually, that's precisely what makes you an NFL quarterback...playing quarterback in the NFL. :rolleyes:
Exactly my point, just because you're playing in the nfl doesn't make u an nfl ready or nfl quality QB.
 

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Exactly my point, just because you're playing in the nfl doesn't make u an nfl ready or nfl quality QB.
YES it does. I don't really know how to make this any easier for you to comprehend. Do you understand real English, or do I need to type my responses out in the same 12-year -old girl text message style that you seem to prefer?

IF YOU ARE PLAYING QUARTERBACK IN THE NFL, IT MEANS THAT YOU ARE AN NFL QUALITY QUARTERBACK.

Every week on game day, most teams have three active quarterbacks on their roster. That means there are 99 NFL quarterbacks every Sunday. These are the quarterbacks that NFL coaches and GM's have decided are the most talented and most prepared to perform the duties needed of an NFL signal caller. They have seen these guys in camp, in practice, in college, and on the field and spend an enormous amount of time and money evaluating these players.

Please explain to me why you believe that Brandon Weeden is not one of the best 99 quarterbacks in the league. Because that's exactly the argument you're making.
 

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Stupid to say he isn't NFL quality. He is, right now, a low end NFL quarterback, but he's better than several starters with multiple years in the league. If he gets supplanted by a veteran like Vick, he'll be sought after by several teams.
 

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I hope and pray he ends up on my JETS!!!!!
Man, though. If you thought he got hammered in Cleveland, imagine the scrutiny in New York. He's better than anyone on their roster, but they are less talented on offense than the Browns, and the NY media is sharklike.

I'd love to see him in AZ, assuming the Browns do what the Browns do, and get rid of him.
 

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Unfortunately, NFL clips don't last long on YouTube. But when Weeden has been at his worst, it's because his line has been at it's worst. And I can't believe anyone is defending the Browns (Weeden or not).

His rookie numbers so far:

3,281 YDS - 57.2% - 14 TD - 17 INT - 72.4 Rating

Not stellar numbers. But honestly not horrible for a rookie. Drew Breese has more INT's than Weeden.
Those are pretty bad numbers. 57% completion rating and more INT's than TD's. Drew has more INT's because he throws it more in general, if I'm not mistaken. The fact is that Weeden has had good protection this year and has kinda stunk it up. I get that he is a Rookie but he should be improving at least a little bit. He really isn't.