VOTE! Election thread

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What will be the results of todays vote?

  • Trump wins big

    Votes: 11 14.1%
  • Trump wins small

    Votes: 12 15.4%
  • No decision by tomorrow morning

    Votes: 29 37.2%
  • Biden wins small

    Votes: 17 21.8%
  • Biden wins big

    Votes: 9 11.5%

  • Total voters
    78
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And what lesson is taught by forgiving this debt? Borrow as much as you can, even if you don't need it. Don't bother saving for yours or your children's college and when you graduate / drop out / whatever, pay the minimum amount possible until someone feels sorry for you that you owe money for spring break trips and new car financed through student loans and pays if off. Talk about a moral hazard!
Moral hazard is the worst response to this, as the 2008 crash taught, the reason why they didn’t pay off peoples mortgages was moral hazard, but then they bailed out the banks and created the biggest moral hazard ever.
Right now we live in socialism for the big guys and rugged individualism for the rest of us, that is why I dont hate the student loan bail out. UBI would be way better, especially in the pandemic are in.
 

Cimarron

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He's been firing high ups and replacing them with loyalists in a lot more places than this.....
Several years the left went nuts when Bush fired several US Attorney's. They forgot Clinton fired all of them.

You might want to go ahead and move into your bunker.
 
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The idea that the government should forgive more than a trillion dollars in debt to the people that now have a massive income advantage called a college degree instead of doing things to help those that are really hurting makes absolutely no sense to me.
This hits pretty close to home. Just don't want this part of your post to get lost or glossed over by anything else...
Nicely done
 
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Trump defenders. What is it like watching Trump attack career military people and then roll out these type of people for his "defense".

Turns out this lady just got off probation for computer crimes.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-michigan-carone-computer-crime-b1766472.html

Oh and to further prove the Trump brand holds true here is her racist testimony.

"Like, a lot of people think all Indians look alike," she says. "I think all Chinese look alike. So how would you tell? If some Chow shows up, you can be anybody, and you can vote. And if somebody with my name — you can't even tell my name — anybody can vote on my behalf. So ID should be the basic requirement."
 
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https://twitter.com/jysexton/status/1335331485650456579?s=21
I'd been wondering for the past year or so whether a lot of the Republican party still believed in Democracy or whether they simply believed in maintaining power at any cost. It's pretty clear at this point the MAGA part no longer believes in Democracy. This movement is anti-education, anti-science, anti-intellectualism, and pro-conspiracy. None of that is even debatable- those are all core tenants of MAGAism. Look up every political movement in history that had these same beliefs. It's not the good ones.
 
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cowboyinexile

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I'd been wondering for the past year or so whether a lot of the Republican party still believed in Democracy or whether they simply believed in maintaining power at any cost. It's pretty clear at this point the MAGA part no longer believes in Democracy. This movement is anti-education, anti-science, anti-intellectualism, and pro-conspiracy. None of that is even debatable- those are all core tenants of MAGAism. Look up every political movement in history that had these same beliefs. It's not the good ones.
They believe in power at all cost. That has been evident for a while. It makes you wonder how far they would have taken it. We are in the middle of an attempted coup, which is going about as well as we should expect an attempted coup to go. But for the most part, Republicans are silent on it.

What happens if, for instance republican legislatures in the midwest go along with the president and attempt tonundercut the will of the people? Do we see an actual revolution here? Man that is kinda scary. Any normal administration would accept the results of this election and work on a transition of power. This one is still throwing out frivolous lawsuits and has no interest in a normal transition of power. And a significant portion of our population is cool with that.

People need to take a step back and realize there are more important things in life than who the president is.
 
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Coup?

Trump is being a poor loser, no doubt ...and trying to exercise every potential out that he has ... even though the odds are lower than miniscule. But you are way exaggerating.

What is true, however, that his actions are hurting the party because his actions are not good for the GA GOP Senators.
 
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Coup?

Trump is being a poor loser, no doubt ...and trying to exercise every potential out that he has ... even though the odds are lower than miniscule. But you are way exaggerating.

What is true, however, that his actions are hurting the party because his actions are not good for the GA GOP Senators.
Trump just pardoned Flynn who then runs a political ad spouting this. Not just twitter babble but actual paid for advertising. Brought to you by a former WH National Security Advisor who plead guilty to a felony

“When the legislators, courts and/or Congress fail to do their duty under the 12th Amendment, you must be ready Mr President to immediately declare a limited form of Martial Law, and temporarily suspend the Constitution and civilian control of these federal elections, for the sole purpose of having the military oversee a national re-vote," the ad said.

This is from a guy who was personally pardoned by Trump that also happened to be a security consultant for Turkish election of Erdogan that is widely viewed as a coup.

So I do agree, I think people are blowing the coup attempt whistle a little too loud. But there is certainly some smoke there. They are certainly putting out the feelers IMO.
 

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Coup?

Trump is being a poor loser, no doubt ...and trying to exercise every potential out that he has ... even though the odds are lower than miniscule. But you are way exaggerating.

What is true, however, that his actions are hurting the party because his actions are not good for the GA GOP Senators.
How is it an exaggeration?
He is pressuring a governor to overturn an election to maintain power. It fits the definition almost to a T.

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The only exaggeration part is saying that "the entire party" is just fine with it.