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What will be the results of todays vote?

  • Trump wins big

    Votes: 11 15.5%
  • Trump wins small

    Votes: 12 16.9%
  • No decision by tomorrow morning

    Votes: 27 38.0%
  • Biden wins small

    Votes: 15 21.1%
  • Biden wins big

    Votes: 6 8.5%

  • Total voters
    71
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Let it go man. We've moved on to Trump not accepting November's results, again.
I find myself almost hoping Trump wins now, gagging a bit as I type, just to keep the disaster that Putin orchestrated from happening. The country could literally fly apart if he loses and digs his heels in like it seems he will. Vlad is certainly getting his meager investment's worth.
 

Cimarron

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I find myself almost hoping Trump wins now, gagging a bit as I type, just to keep the disaster that Putin orchestrated from happening. The country could literally fly apart if he loses and digs his heels in like it seems he will. Vlad is certainly getting his meager investment's worth.
So, what is your opinion why Russia was sending millions of dollars to the Clinton's and the Biden family rather than Trump?
 
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So, what is your opinion why Russia was sending millions of dollars to the Clinton's and the Biden family rather than Trump?
Assuming what you are saying is true, and I have no idea, to cover their bases. Russian interests have been advanced under Trump in ways that would make Reagan flip in his grave. The FBI is gutted, Europe is on it's own, and we're on the verge of civil war here and completely disengaged in the ME. Now, some of those might very well be in our short term national interests, but they are all most definitely in the long term national interests of Russia. Putin has won, no matter what happens in this election.
 

Cimarron

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Assuming what you are saying is true, and I have no idea, to cover their bases. Russian interests have been advanced under Trump in ways that would make Reagan flip in his grave. The FBI is gutted, Europe is on it's own, and we're on the verge of civil war here and completely disengaged in the ME. Now, some of those might very well be in our short term national interests, but they are all most definitely in the long term national interests of Russia. Putin has won, no matter what happens in this election.
There is not argument that millions of dollars from Russian interests went to the Clintons and Biden family. It is well documented.

As for Russian interests, it was under the Obama administration that Russia invaded Crimea. Not long in fact after Obama told Russia he would have more freedom after the election. We know this happened in 2014.

The FBI was lying to FISA courts under the Obama Administration. Again this is well documented.

Europe has begun, as they promised years ago, spending more on their military. In other words "their fair share". That was not happening under the Obama administration.

The riots, looting, BLM, Antifia, and other civil unrest all started well before Trump had even declared his intent to run for President of the United States. Again, this is well documented.

So, if all of those are the work of Putin, it was all started while money was flowing from Russia to the Clinton's, Biden, and I'm sure others and much of it while Obama was President of the United States. Again, well before Trump had even declared he was running for President.
 
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There is not argument that millions of dollars from Russian interests went to the Clintons and Biden family. It is well documented.

As for Russian interests, it was under the Obama administration that Russia invaded Crimea. Not long in fact after Obama told Russia he would have more freedom after the election. We know this happened in 2014.

The FBI was lying to FISA courts under the Obama Administration. Again this is well documented.

Europe has begun, as they promised years ago, spending more on their military. In other words "their fair share". That was not happening under the Obama administration.

The riots, looting, BLM, Antifia, and other civil unrest all started well before Trump had even declared his intent to run for President of the United States. Again, this is well documented.

So, if all of those are the work of Putin, it was all started while money was flowing from Russia to the Clinton's, Biden, and I'm sure others. Again, well before Trump even declared he was running for President.
OK, if you think Reagan would be proud of where we are now, good for you. You are getting hung up on political parties, and my contention is that Russia under Putin has simply retrenched from the cold war defeat and understands our party divisions better than we do, and is exploiting them to max effect. And I'll add that I don't necessarily think Russian long term interests are opposed to ours. However, Putin understands that Europe is his neighborhood, and getting us out of it is in Russia's interests long term. The argument about spending on "defense" is silly because that is just a matter of contracts for equipment that will never ever be used in anger against anyone in the nuclear age. Russia is advancing, and we are declining, and maybe that is fine. We've been trying to hang onto the post WW2 order for maybe too long now, and the edges are beginning to fray. Putin just understands that Trump is a more disruptive force in this, and hugely ignorant (my opinion) of eventual ramifications.
 

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Assuming what you are saying is true, and I have no idea, to cover their bases. Russian interests have been advanced under Trump in ways that would make Reagan flip in his grave. The FBI is gutted, Europe is on it's own, and we're on the verge of civil war here and completely disengaged in the ME. Now, some of those might very well be in our short term national interests, but they are all most definitely in the long term national interests of Russia. Putin has won, no matter what happens in this election.
How is Europe on its own?

Edit after reading you second response.

I think Reagan would be disappointed in Europe at the moment for the way they have abandoned their militaries and his belief in “Peace through strength”. Germany’s military was very good during the Reagan years; now the can’t arm their men, fly their planes, or put submarines in the water.

The French are trying to bring European militaries together as a test run of the European Army to conduct anti-terror operations in Africa but they can’t do it alone.

The European efforts also rely on U.S. intelligence and logistical support. Europe doesn’t have enough drones to conduct surveillance of the Sahel, and France needs U.S. aircraft to deploy forces in many of its missions, according to French officials. Amid rumors that the U.S. would pull back some troops last year, France’s defense minister quickly flew to Washington to lobby against it.

“It’s good that France wants to do more,” said a senior U.S. official. “But I think they have realized that they can’t do it alone.”

The idea that Europe needs to take more responsibility for its own security interests is right,” said Danish Foreign Minister Jeppe Kofod in an interview. Danish service members are part of both the French counterterrorism mission and the U.N. mission. “There’s no conflict between U.S. interest and European interest. But Europe has been too reluctant [for] too long to invest in security in our neighborhood.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/european-army-plans-face-battlefield-reality-in-africa-11600858800


The US has been against Europe (Germany) relying on Russia (USSR) for energy for over 50 years but Europe has continued to send hard currency to Russia. The poisoning of Navlany seems to have brought this up as a real potential now as Merkel has stated this could force her to kill NordStrem 2, which most of Europe opposed from the beginning.

There is plenty to be disappointed about with the current relationship between Europe and the USA but it’s not a one way street.
 
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OK, if you think Reagan would be proud of where we are now, good for you
We the people are the ones who have let these bozo's in DC get us to where we are now. Trump has been in DC for four years. The GOP and DNC have been screwing us over for decades. If things are falling apart in this county to Russia's benefit, then we need only look in the mirror. As I've said time and time and time again, Trump is a symptom, not the sickness.
 
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We the people are the ones who have let these bozo's in DC get us to where we are now. Trump has been in DC for four years. The GOP and DNC have been screwing us over for decades. If things are falling apart in this county to Russia's benefit, then we need only look in the mirror. As I've said time and time and time again, Trump is a symptom, not the sickness.
Sorry guys, I've had too many IPA's to continue to debate in any productive way, if I ever had that capability to begin with. You're going to have to wait until I sober up, I'm sure you're all on pins and needles.
 
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...icial-says/ar-BB19qRbI?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds

In a press release, Luzerne County County Manager David Pedri said a "temporary seasonal independent contractor" who started work sorting mail at the Elections Bureau on Sept. 14th had "incorrectly" thrown out a small number of military and overseas ballots.
The county elections director found out what had happened two days later, and had all the trash from the three-day period "placed in a dumpster and secured," the release said