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You may still have some industries, but sales taxes and property taxes will take a massive dip. Add that to drops in every retail and service industry. Nearly every restaurant, hair place, clothing store, grocery store, hotel, and other retailer depends on students being on campus to break even. Large portions of that are directly dependent on football games themselves (think restaurants, clothing, hotels, and other retail-even gas stations). Manufacturing and agriculture may largely stay in tact, but that's about it.
If every store depended on students and ball games, they would have to shut down during summer. But they don't, not even the ones on the strip. It all goes back to out of town people helping to keep the strip open during the summer and other businesses. Most students aren't old enough to go to the bars on the strip, anyway. Older folks, like 25+, have a lot more money to spend in Stillwater.

Students probably keep the fast foods going and don't always do a good job at that, since they couldn't keep Zaxby's open even though it wasn't located very far from campus. Older folks largely help keep the restaurants going, such as Texas Roadhouse, Freddie Paul's and Mexico Joe's. The same with most other businesses not primarily geared toward college students. Really, students only have so much money left to spend after paying the landlord and bills. It's really landlords that would be most hard hit by fewer students. One apartment developer planning to build near Eskimo Joe's pulled out after seeing declining enrollment numbers at OSU. I'm sure many landlords were relieved by that.

Until covid, old folks also kept the shows and concerts packed at the McKnight Center. Students avoided them like the plague. Hopefully, OSU won't have layoffs from fewer students.
 
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No matter how clear and present the danger is, people refuse to see it. Lot of businesses in Stillwater in trouble.
It's the same everywhere, due to covid. Can restaurants make money dealing with less seating due to keeping tables at least 6 ft. apart? At least traffic has already picked up considerably in Stillwater, so things are going to get better for all businesses.
 
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If every store depended on students and ball games, they would have to shut down during summer. But they don't, not even the ones on the strip. It all goes back to out of town people helping to keep the strip open during the summer and other businesses. Most students aren't old enough to go to the bars on the strip, anyway. Older folks, like 25+, have a lot more money to spend in Stillwater.

Students probably keep the fast foods going and don't always do a good job at that, since they couldn't keep Zaxby's open even though it wasn't located very far from campus. Older folks largely help keep the restaurants going, such as Texas Roadhouse, Freddie Paul's and Mexico Joe's. The same with most other businesses not primarily geared toward college students. Really, students only have so much money left to spend after paying the landlord and bills. It's really landlords that would be most hard hit by fewer students. One apartment developer planning to build near Eskimo Joe's pulled out after seeing declining enrollment numbers at OSU. I'm sure many landlords were relieved by that.

Until covid, old folks also kept the shows and concerts packed at the McKnight Center. Students avoided them like the plague. Hopefully, OSU won't have layoffs from fewer students.
I didn't graduate that long ago and I worked at and helped manage multiple different restaurants. They often lose money or barely break even in the summer. They all make their money during the semester and especially during the fall. Older people are exactly why they need football season, football Saturdays dramatically alter the demographics of who is in town. Some of them only stay open in the summer just so they can keep their base crew and managers who you can't just add and drop like that.
 
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I know a 96 year old WWII vet that got it and is just fine.

Sound/rational decisions and strategies are not made/set on the far end of the extremes.

But since you went partisan I’m not surprised you choose to live on the edge of the bell curve. Republicans didn’t take control of the Oklahoma legislature until 2004. They gained control of the senate in 2010. Clearly they’re definitely to blame for all the state’s woes, not the 83-89 years of one party control. And I’m not a republican. Hyper partisanship is how we end up where we are now.
I don't think so. Interesting how the Democrats wouldn't modernize alcohol laws any more after passing liquor by the drink in 1984, but later overcame Republican opposition to lotteries and casinos in 2004. Finally, Republicans further modernized alcohol laws in 2018 and didn't gut legalized med marijuana in 2019. Democrats went along with Republicans then. Come to think of it, I wonder how often Republicans went along with Democrats when they ruled.

For more sound/rational decisions and strategies, I'd like to know the percentage of people who at most only have a mild and brief case of covid after being infected by it with no lingering after effects. If it's like 60%, I still would rather not take a maskless chance with it or be in a crowded bar, restaurant or other packed gathering.
 

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If every store depended on students and ball games, they would have to shut down during summer. But they don't, not even the ones on the strip. It all goes back to out of town people helping to keep the strip open during the summer and other businesses. Most students aren't old enough to go to the bars on the strip, anyway. Older folks, like 25+, have a lot more money to spend in Stillwater.

Students probably keep the fast foods going and don't always do a good job at that, since they couldn't keep Zaxby's open even though it wasn't located very far from campus. Older folks largely help keep the restaurants going, such as Texas Roadhouse, Freddie Paul's and Mexico Joe's. The same with most other businesses not primarily geared toward college students. Really, students only have so much money left to spend after paying the landlord and bills. It's really landlords that would be most hard hit by fewer students. One apartment developer planning to build near Eskimo Joe's pulled out after seeing declining enrollment numbers at OSU. I'm sure many landlords were relieved by that.

Until covid, old folks also kept the shows and concerts packed at the McKnight Center. Students avoided them like the plague. Hopefully, OSU won't have layoffs from fewer students.
lol

So it's not problematic if a store receives 30% of it's yearly revenue during home football games, and those games don't happen, so the store has to operate at 70% of it's normal revenue? Not a big deal?
 

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Everyone acts like this is the black death, maybe if you are 70 years old but not if you are under 40. This is ridiculous. If I were a student I would absolutely hate living in this time. I can't imagine walking around constantly in fear over something that's turning out to be way less deadly than the flu is for people under 25 years old. More people in that age bracket will be effected by pre 2020 conditions than covid.
Even young people can't be 100% sure their case of covid will be mild and brief with no lingering after effects. Covid irreversibly destroyed the lungs of this woman requiring her to get a double lung transplant.
https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-double-lung-transplant.html
Sad that you have to go hunting to find comments like this near the end of the article:
"The woman had no serious underlying medical conditions, he told the Times. She was, however, taking an immune-system suppressing medication for a minor illness, he said. But it's unclear whether that drug made her more susceptible to the virus."
Instead you get this at the top of the article:
"The recipient was an otherwise healthy woman in her 20s."
She can't be healthy and also immuno compromised at the same time.

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Sad but it is the narrative now. Believe half of what you see and none of what you read when it comes from the media. All media has an agenda both right and left.

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Sad but it is the narrative now. Believe half of what you see and none of what you read when it comes from the media. All media has an agenda both right and left.

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Meh. Their agenda is to make money. That's it. They've figured out (just like politicians) that it's easiest to market if you have only two sets of consumers instead of many. Now that they've successfully divided everyone into these nice, neat little sides, they can just hammer away at the narratives, agendas, pandering, etc...and rake in the dough.

People are dumb.
Capitalism allows smart people to exploit them (and allows consumer freedom to not be exploited)
Marketing helps make the exploitation more efficient.

The "controversies" and "narratives" are purely contrived to generate max profit. And people are stupid enough to keep consuming their products.
 
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Sad but it is the narrative now. Believe half of what you see and none of what you read when it comes from the media. All media has an agenda both right and left.

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Meh. Their agenda is to make money. That's it. They've figured out (just like politicians) that it's easiest to market if you have only two sets of consumers instead of many. Now that they've successfully divided everyone into these nice, neat little sides, they can just hammer away at the narratives, agendas, pandering, etc...and rake in the dough.

People are dumb.
Capitalism allows smart people to exploit them (and allows consumer freedom to not be exploited)
Marketing helps make the exploitation more efficient.

The "controversies" and "narratives" are purely contrived to generate max profit. And people are stupid enough to keep consuming their products.
I don't disagree at all with these truths. But because of the blatant lying that goes on the liable protection for journalists needs to be lightened to hold people to account. And I am against most regulations but misleading people without repercussions has lead us to where we are today in society.

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I don't disagree at all with these truths. But because of the blatant lying that goes on the liable protection for journalists needs to be lightened to hold people to account. And I am against most regulations but misleading people without repercussions has lead us to where we are today in society.

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I've often wondered what mechanism we could use to regulate this ever-increasing problem, but I like that idea.
 

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IF there is a football season, I think it will be a fanless season. Maybe 5-10% attendance.

KU should have an advantage playing in this kind of environment.
If they shut down the stadium, you'll have almost that many more standing outside the stadium watching it on TV and tailgating.
 
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lol

So it's not problematic if a store receives 30% of it's yearly revenue during home football games, and those games don't happen, so the store has to operate at 70% of it's normal revenue? Not a big deal?
How do you know it's as much as 30%? I can see near campus places, like Eskimo Joe's, making a ton of money after every single game, not just football, since it's a short walk to get there.

If masks really work, they might as well open the stadium and arena, but require everybody to wear a mask plus take everybody's temperature before entrance. After all, Trump's Tulsa rally didn't turn out to be much of a disaster, despite hardly anyone wearing masks. The number for Tulsa and Tulsa County positive cases have been running behind Oklahoma City and Oklahoma County positive cases for a while.
 
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If they shut down the stadium, you'll have almost that many more standing outside the stadium watching it on TV and tailgating.
I'm thinking that is where we'll be. We tailgate at the Catholic Church and already paid for the spot.
Pretty sure we can assume that if the season happens, and if it is done without fans, both the school and city are going to limit tailgating as much as they can. Heck they may limit tailgating even if fans are allowed in the game.
 

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Pretty sure we can assume that if the season happens, and if it is done without fans, both the school and city are going to limit tailgating as much as they can. Heck they may limit tailgating even if fans are allowed in the game.
Agreed, and they may have success doing this, but it reminds me a little of that Mayor who thought she could stop Joe's Anniversary week when it was huge. She didn't allow the streets to be blocked and advised Stan not to set up things outside. 10,000 people still showed up but the city wasn't ready for them. It was a mess.
 

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Pretty sure we can assume that if the season happens, and if it is done without fans, both the school and city are going to limit tailgating as much as they can. Heck they may limit tailgating even if fans are allowed in the game.
We are on Church property and paid a fee so they better tread lightly. I'm not sure of the legalities, but it's not like the school shutting down tailgating on their property. Should be interesting.
 

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We are on Church property and paid a fee so they better tread lightly. I'm not sure of the legalities, but it's not like the school shutting down tailgating on their property. Should be interesting.
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