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Thought this was interesting: https://news.yahoo.com/florida-investigate-covid-19-deaths-002500194.html

Florida to investigate all COVID-19 deaths after questions about 'integrity' of data

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In a news release, officials highlighted concerns about 95 deaths reported to the state on Tuesday.

The department said 16 of the deaths occurred more than two months after the person tested positive, and 11 people died more than a month ago.

And in five cases, there was a three-month gap between the time of infection and death.

Palm Beach County had 50 of the COVID-19 deaths in the latest report, which shattered the previous one-day record of 27 deaths reported Aug. 7.

The state says it just learned about an 85-year-old Palm Beach County woman who died Sept. 27 — 3 1/2 months after she was diagnosed with COVID-19. In another case, an 87-year-old county woman died Oct. 1, more than three months after her positive test on June 25.

The issue involves numerous other counties, such as the new report of a 58-year-old Miami-Dade woman who tested positive June 23 and died Oct. 6. There were no Broward irregularities listed.

These delays raise red flags that have to be examined, according to Florida Surgeon General Scott Rivkees.
 
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Accurate numbers are extremely difficult to determine. For just one example...death is easy to determine...but how do we know death was caused by Covid-19? Just because a person dies with a positive Covid-19 test does not indicate that his death was caused by the virus. He may have died from another disorder unrealated to Covid-19. We know there are many comorbidities that are associated with a positive Covid-19 tests. Did the
patient die primarily because of the virus or die or with a positive test that had no bearing upon the death.
Its a very hard question.
 
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docjoctoo said:
Accurate numbers are extremely difficult to determine. For just one example...death is easy to determine...but how do we know death was caused by Covid-19? Just because a person dies with a positive Covid-19 test does not indicate that his death was caused by the virus. He may have died from another disorder unrealated to Covid-19. We know there are many comorbidities that are associated with a positive Covid-19 tests. Did the
patient die primarily because of the virus or die or with a positive test that had no bearing upon the death.
Its a very hard question.
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I have heard it said, but haven’t seen it reported, that the number of deaths strictly tied to Covid (not where the person had other disease and Covid was a contributor) is about 6% of the reported US deaths. Is there any solid info out there on this?
 
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SLVRBK said:
US figure was 62k yesterday? That is a huge number for France.
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Would be about like 200k cases here. Their deaths are also increasing and approaching our numbers, roughly equivalent to 750 deaths per day here (averaging over the last week). They will likely exceed us soon since their average deaths per day have almost doubled over the last week.
 
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OSUPsych said:
Would be about like 200k cases here. Their deaths are also increasing and approaching our numbers, roughly equivalent to 750 deaths per day here (averaging over the last week). They will likely exceed us soon since their average deaths per day have almost doubled over the last week.
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Fauci estimated that the US could hit 100K cases per day over this winter....and to think in terms of population France is already 2x that level of new cases per day this week.

Europe is in that 2nd wave and it is hitting like a damn steam hammer. 2nd wave for the US might be underestimated based on what we are seeing in Europe this week.
 
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Binman4OSU said:
especially for a country with a population of only 67 Million. US has 330 Million
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OSUPsych said:
Would be about like 200k cases here. Their deaths are also increasing and approaching our numbers, roughly equivalent to 750 deaths per day here (averaging over the last week). They will likely exceed us soon since their average deaths per day have almost doubled over the last week.
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Yep, we are 5x their population

Belgium and Netherlands are massive as well, euivalent to 400k and 200k here
 
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What's happening in Europe is deeply disturbing.. did they all just return to life pre-covid?
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Not sure but the Older population are the ones getting it now which can quickly drive up the deaths

Since early Sept the number of cases in 60+ age group in the UK has quadrupled
Germany is reporting the proportion of cases in the older age groups has been increasing since Sept
In France the 65+ age group number of cases has tripled in the last 6 weeks

In Spain at the outset the median age of those testing positive was age 40....by July that had dropped to 37....by mid Sept the median age of positive cases was back up to 39

88% of the Deaths in Europe are people in the 60+ age group

The European CDC considers it a "high" amount of if more than 60 people per day per 100,000 population in the age 65 or older category test positive.

As of this week 13 countries in Europe are WELL above that range for the 65+ age group

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I certainly understand pandemic fatigue (and election fatigue) but these numbers are staggering and hopefully not a glimpse of our future. It seems like everyone decide to visit grandma and grandpa all at once.
 
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