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Well we do have high humidity now...it was really dry before this major cold front came though but now it's very wet and very cold. Certainly can't be good for viral spread...it's when people 'catch' a cold and covid is a higher form of the cold virus..right? I just don't think shut downs are feasible nor a way to fight this long term and we are getting into long term territory. We cannot shut down again...we have to learn to live with the virus and combat it with safe lifestyle (mask, hand washing, social distancing) and medications (Vitamin D and E, Mouthwash, cold medicine, other...). It's obvious that locking downs aren't how we "roll" in free societies where we like to bungee jump and ride rollercoasters....I don't think we can nor will sustain a lockdown for any extended economy crushing period of time.
I think it has to be a mix of limited short term and defined shutdowns in outbreak areas and a whole lot of maximum self responsibility with preventative measures such as masks, etc. I think this can sustain us and limit deaths until a vaccine is found and proven effective.
What about rolling curfews in outbreak areas? Europe is trying this approach now. Closing all business at dark for a few weeks at a time
What about rolling curfews in outbreak areas? Europe is trying this approach now. Closing all business at dark for a few weeks at a time
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I'm not the right person to really comment on that. I'm not sure. But you know me...I will anyway. lol. To me it seems we need to work massively MORE on education about what we can do heath wise on an personal level to limit the effects of covid-19 on our bodies rather than mitigate it by attempting to reduce spread. In other words, I think we need to figure out how to make it less of a threat to each person and to help them built up their own personal immunity and do the things that protect themselves personally. Once we do that, I think that many of us who have yet to have it will likely still get it despite our efforts and build immunity just as we do with colds and the flu.
I don't think government restrictions do much for us at all...actually I think they can and do exasperate the problem by causing other unintentional problems like economic collapse and create a disenfranchised public. It's a tough one, because we ALSO want to keep everyone who gets it from spreading it to the elderly and the immune compromised. That's where isolation and restrictions need to be...nursing homes, immune compromised and others need to be protected from the virus and have the personal responsibility to stay isolated from it until it's mitigated as we have the flu and colds.
This enables the "general public" to be able to operate in a safe way with mask and other protections and obtain the slowed spread rather than all at once AND we keep the compromised safe as we learn. Yep, as you said, my thought is also a mix. Actually it's kind of what we are doing, with an added element of education on reducing effects by preventive measures for when/if we do get it. Seems, to me anyway, like a common sense holistic approach that doesn't create other problems in order to cure one problem.
I don't think government restrictions do much for us at all...actually I think they can and do exasperate the problem by causing other unintentional problems like economic collapse and create a disenfranchised public. It's a tough one, because we ALSO want to keep everyone who gets it from spreading it to the elderly and the immune compromised. That's where isolation and restrictions need to be...nursing homes, immune compromised and others need to be protected from the virus and have the personal responsibility to stay isolated from it until it's mitigated as we have the flu and colds.
This enables the "general public" to be able to operate in a safe way with mask and other protections and obtain the slowed spread rather than all at once AND we keep the compromised safe as we learn. Yep, as you said, my thought is also a mix. Actually it's kind of what we are doing, with an added element of education on reducing effects by preventive measures for when/if we do get it. Seems, to me anyway, like a common sense holistic approach that doesn't create other problems in order to cure one problem.
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Just posting the potion of the article on Italy but there is some info about other European countries
Protests against new Covid-19 restrictions hit Italy
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/protests-against-new-covid-19-restrictions-hit-italy-n1244887
The new measures ordering Italian restaurants and bars to close from 6 p.m., shutting down cinemas and gyms and imposing local curfews in several regions of the country were met with protests, both peaceful and violent.
Dozens of demonstrators in Turin in northern Italy threw huge firecrackers and bottles at the regional government's headquarters. Police responded with volleys of tear gas as they tried to restore order in the city.
Photographs from the scene showed shops along the central piazza had their windows smashed, and 10 people were arrested after clashing with police, La Repubblica newspaper reported.
Tensions also rose in Milan, the country’s financial hub that was hit hard by the pandemic earlier this year, as dozens of demonstrators marched towards the regional authorities' headquarters and threw stones, fireworks and bottles.
Reuters reported crowds chanting “Freedom, freedom, freedom,” as they confronted police in the city center.
Protesters also took to the streets in Trieste, Rome, Naples and Palermo. More protests were expected on Tuesday.
Protests against new Covid-19 restrictions hit Italy
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/protests-against-new-covid-19-restrictions-hit-italy-n1244887
The new measures ordering Italian restaurants and bars to close from 6 p.m., shutting down cinemas and gyms and imposing local curfews in several regions of the country were met with protests, both peaceful and violent.
Dozens of demonstrators in Turin in northern Italy threw huge firecrackers and bottles at the regional government's headquarters. Police responded with volleys of tear gas as they tried to restore order in the city.
Photographs from the scene showed shops along the central piazza had their windows smashed, and 10 people were arrested after clashing with police, La Repubblica newspaper reported.
Tensions also rose in Milan, the country’s financial hub that was hit hard by the pandemic earlier this year, as dozens of demonstrators marched towards the regional authorities' headquarters and threw stones, fireworks and bottles.
Reuters reported crowds chanting “Freedom, freedom, freedom,” as they confronted police in the city center.
Protesters also took to the streets in Trieste, Rome, Naples and Palermo. More protests were expected on Tuesday.
Remember that Lock Downs are NOT there to stop or prevent COVID from happening. It is to help the Hospitals get control and stay in control of handling the patient numbers so the health care system isn't over run. If the hospitals get full, a full lockdown for a couple of weeks may become a necessity regardless of its impacts
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Hope not. That’s supposed to be why we were going to build more rooms. I’m not aware that our mayor did that but they looked at sites. If we didn’t build rooms and they shut us down again I bet he’s glad elections already happened. Btw, what about educating the public to take D and E and boost their immune systems along with other personal health boosting behaviors? Volunteer Personal responsibility is how we beat this...not divisive government mandates that may actually NOT do a thing to prevent the spread and keep hospital beds open.
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