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. If the councilman had said, "Hey, tonight, I'm gonna go drink beers and maybe take a few shots, and I'm going to drive home cause it is a very short trip at under 25 mph and I know the way" it would be the same thing. If you want to risk your life and others, just shut up about it.
I am going to assume you were joking and being sarcastic because, of course, it is no where near the same thing. Unfortunately, there are some idiot and panic porn believers that actually may equate eating Thanksgiving dinner with family with driving drunk.
 

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I am going to assume you were joking and being sarcastic because, of course, it is no where near the same thing. Unfortunately, there are some idiot and panic porn believers that actually may equate eating Thanksgiving dinner with family with driving drunk.
I have known people who have dead for Covid, I have a friend experiencing long term effects for Covid, I know someone who is dealing with the guilt of being a carrier and having older family members die so I think it is an good analogy.
 
I said this in another post, but the two clinics where I supervise either bought more or had the freezers necessary. I'm not as sure about transportation though, but my understanding is that it mostly is a barrier that prevents developing countries from really using either even once more doses are available.
Does it have to be exactly -94 degrees or that’s the max it can be. It can be shipped in colder temps?
Bull semen is shipped in liquid nitrogen every day in this country. I just receive a shipment last week.
 
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I have known people who have dead for Covid, I have a friend experiencing long term effects for Covid, I know someone who is dealing with the guilt of being a carrier and having older family members die so I think it is an good analogy.
I am sorry for your loss. But no drunk driving does not in any way shape or form, equal a family Thanksgiving dinner. No way, no how. To say so is beyond ridiculous.
 

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I am sorry for your loss. But no drunk driving does not in any way shape or form, equal a family Thanksgiving dinner. No way, no how. To say so is beyond ridiculous.
Quit living in 2019. A big get together puts people at risk. Driving drunk puts people at risk.

Being nearly a year into a pandemic and calling it "a family Thanksgiving dinner" as if it is like any other time is what is ridiculous.
 
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Quit living in 2019. A big get together puts people at risk. Driving drunk puts people at risk.

Being nearly a year into a pandemic and calling it "a family Thanksgiving dinner" as if it is like any other time is what is ridiculous.
Hmmm, I go to a game with a lot of other people on this board. About 15k of us. That is okay.

I have been running basketball camps this summer and fall. About 50 kids. That is okay.

My wife is an elementary school counselor that regularly visits classrooms of 25 kids. That is okay.

But have dinner with 15 members of my family. OMG, how dare you, you might as well drive drunk!

LOL — honestly I thought @steross was attempting sarcasm. This may rank as one of the silliest things I have seen people agree that Chris Hayes said or tweeted. And that is saying a lot.
 
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Does it have to be exactly -94 degrees or that’s the max it can be. It can be shipped in colder temps?
Bull semen is shipped in liquid nitrogen every day in this country. I just receive a shipment last week.
Nah. Very common in the pharma industry. Cold chain is almost always one of the following:

Ambient=Optimally around 25c
Refrigerated=4-8c
Freezer=colder than -20c
Ultrafreezer=colder than -80c (the case here)
Cryofreezer=colder than -150c

Most distribution chains will have the -20c freezers. Very typical. But many places “may” have to add (or get additional) -80c freezers if they don’t already have them. Again, like many have eluded to, this won’t be much of a problem in developed countries. But will be a big problem in places like Central America and Africa.
 
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If you haven't had it, you don't know the risk. Day after day I get to hear, "Man, I never thought it would be this bad. I wish.........."
My family wear masks everywhere, we take every precaution prescribed, but if my parents want to see their grandkids on thanksgiving we aren’t going to say no
 

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My family wear masks everywhere, we take every precaution prescribed, but if my parents want to see their grandkids on thanksgiving we aren’t going to say no

That really isn't the problem. I'm not going home for Thanksgiving and right now Christmas is out as well. But it's more a travel thing. I don't think it's smart to deal with airports at this time.

That being said if my parents were an hour drive away this isn't an issue. Small family gatherings aren't a problem. It's when you start getting 2nd cousins involved that it becomes a thing. If your immediate family who you see at least once a month wants to have Thanksgiving dinner together it's no biggie. The bigass Christmas celebrations where cousins you didn't realize were family randomly show up-its better off to skip that tradition this year
 

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Hmmm, I go to a game with a lot of other people on this board. About 15k of us. That is okay.

I have been running basketball camps this summer and fall. About 50 kids. That is okay.

My wife is an elementary school counselor that regularly visits classrooms of 25 kids. That is okay.

But have dinner with 15 members of my family. OMG, how dare you, you might as well drive drunk!

LOL — honestly I thought @steross was attempting sarcasm. This may rank as one of the silliest things I have seen people agree that Chris Hayes said or tweeted. And that is saying a lot.
Honestly, outside of the kids in the classroom, none of those are really great. We're going to start hitting 200K infected a day this week. Based on our growth curve we're going to see 300K infected every day by Thanksgiving. Assuming the roughly 1% fatality rate holds, and that's a very large assumption given the fact that hospitals are now officially turning people away, that means were going to be looking at over 20,000 dying every week in December. I work for a medical supplier - we're starting to have gaps in our production volumes because we don't have the staff to work the lines. I assume other suppliers are starting to feel this as well. I'm not saying its the end of days, but this is about to get really bad. Much worse than what we've been dealing with up to this point. The drunk driving analogy isn't a terrible one. Maybe you won't infect anyone or be infected. Maybe you make it home from the bar driving after a few drinks. But the risk is there for both. We just need to ask ourselves if this is really worth it - especially with a potential vaccine just weeks away.
 
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Every person across the globe who has died or been infected is a close family member to someone. That didn't stop them from getting sick. Don't use the "close family member" rationale as a reason to let your guard down. Have your family gatherings but use common sense and because they are "close family members," go out of your way to keep them safe. Life doesn't have to stop if people will stop the macho BS and put on a mask and keep your distance. The hugs and kisses can wait a few more months.
 

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False positives happen all the time as I'm sure false negatives do as well.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...-positive-results-COVID-19-antigen-tests.html
This is why the only information that makes sense to pay attention to is hospitalization and death rate. Hospitalization is at high levels so we need to be careful, that doesn't mean we leave our brains off and just accept the numbers of cases as completely accurate.