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jobob85

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I could actually care less how we win games, offense/defense, it's all good to me. My only addendum is that we, OSU, tend to get better coverage when we are winning with O. Leading the country in 3rd down stops is not interesting to people...leading the country in 30+ yard pass plays is interesting and some of those might make top 10 plays on ESPN. And that's good for recruiting.
Well, it might be Warren and the running game that becomes the interesting part of the offense and makes the espn top 10
 

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Typical OSU fan, we make a bad offense look good and it's somehow all the offense's fault we lost. OSU fans somehow can only consider one side of the ball. We were 107th in total defense in 2011. If we had been even in the top 75 we would have been in the BCS championship game. Our defense sucked. We couldn't stop a junior high team, and especially true that night. Not being able to keep the #60 offense in the nation from scoring is shameful.
I think you're making it sound worse than they actually were. It was a "service-able" bend and not break defense, that was VERY opportunistic on takeaways (turnovers).

They made a RGIII led Baylor team look completely laughable. Drive the field... and just completely crapcan stuff them inside the 10. PLUS two INT's off RGIII. He got his yards, but our defense (at least that day) made the game laughable. If I remember correctly, the oU game that year was quite similar.

The defense had a terrible ranking that year because they gave up yards and scores. They were also on the field A LOT... as our offense was a freaking unstoppable juggernaut. Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong year, but I thought that was one of our best defensive takeaway years, lots of strips for fumbles and lots of INT's.
 

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Typical OSU fan, we make a bad offense look good and it's somehow all the offense's fault we lost. OSU fans somehow can only consider one side of the ball. We were 107th in total defense in 2011. If we had been even in the top 75 we would have been in the BCS championship game. Our defense sucked. We couldn't stop a junior high team, and especially true that night. Not being able to keep the #60 offense in the nation from scoring is shameful.
Total Defense is a junk stat. All it tells you is the amount of yards the opponent got without any context. We scored fast and we scored often. When that happens, the other team is going to pick up a lot of overall yards, mostly in garbage time when the game is well out of reach.

OSU ranked 9th in the nation in Defensive Efficiency that season.
 
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Typical OSU fan, we make a bad offense look good and it's somehow all the offense's fault we lost. OSU fans somehow can only consider one side of the ball. We were 107th in total defense in 2011. If we had been even in the top 75 we would have been in the BCS championship game. Our defense sucked. We couldn't stop a junior high team, and especially true that night. Not being able to keep the #60 offense in the nation from scoring is shameful.
That Defense shut the 0U offense to just 10 points.

44 - 10 !

yeah !

Typical oSu fans will always remember that.

That D is #1 at getting turnovers.
 
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In 2011, our offense felt like an elite tennis player holding serve. We were going to score a touchdown every time it felt like. Our defense only had to get to two or three "break of serves" of the other team for it to become a blowout. So we were very risk adverse at trying to turn people over that year.

The Baylor game was like 3-4 turnovers early so it was a beatdown from the outset.

I appreciate that our games now get over much quicker than before. I can get to bed at a decent time.
 

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Typical OSU fan, we make a bad offense look good and it's somehow all the offense's fault we lost. OSU fans somehow can only consider one side of the ball. We were 107th in total defense in 2011. If we had been even in the top 75 we would have been in the BCS championship game. Our defense sucked. We couldn't stop a junior high team, and especially true that night. Not being able to keep the #60 offense in the nation from scoring is shameful.
I think you're making it sound worse than they actually were. It was a "service-able" bend and not break defense, that was VERY opportunistic on takeaways (turnovers).

They made a RGIII led Baylor team look completely laughable. Drive the field... and just completely crapcan stuff them inside the 10. PLUS two INT's off RGIII. He got his yards, but our defense (at least that day) made the game laughable. If I remember correctly, the oU game that year was quite similar.

The defense had a terrible ranking that year because they gave up yards and scores. They were also on the field A LOT... as our offense was a freaking unstoppable juggernaut. Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong year, but I thought that was one of our best defensive takeaway years, lots of strips for fumbles and lots of INT's.
The 107th defense in the nation is bad, not serviceable. We were fortunate that year to have an offense that could make up for our defensive short comings. This year it appears we have a defense that can make up for our offensive short comings. But rather than be happy with our defense, people want to bitch about our offense.

MEGA DERP!

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I could actually care less how we win games, offense/defense, it's all good to me. My only addendum is that we, OSU, tend to get better coverage when we are winning with O. Leading the country in 3rd down stops is not interesting to people...leading the country in 30+ yard pass plays is interesting and some of those might make top 10 plays on ESPN. And that's good for recruiting.
Lead the league in fumble recoveries and interceptions and people would take notice.

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RxCowboy

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Typical OSU fan, we make a bad offense look good and it's somehow all the offense's fault we lost. OSU fans somehow can only consider one side of the ball. We were 107th in total defense in 2011. If we had been even in the top 75 we would have been in the BCS championship game. Our defense sucked. We couldn't stop a junior high team, and especially true that night. Not being able to keep the #60 offense in the nation from scoring is shameful.
That Defense shut the 0U offense to just 10 points.

44 - 10 !

yeah !

Typical oSu fans will always remember that.

That D is #1 at getting turnovers.
And we won. You are making my point for me about defense. It is easier to outscore the opponent if you keep them from scoring. Under Gundy we are undefeated when holding opponents to 20 or less. In this case, a ranked opponent.

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The 107th defense in the nation is bad, not serviceable. We were fortunate that year to have an offense that could make up for our defensive short comings. This year it appears we have a defense that can make up for our offensive short comings. But rather than be happy with our defense, people want to bitch about our offense.

MEGA DERP!

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I agree with the overall point but you’re using the wrong year to make it. Go with 2018 where the defensive efficiency ranking was 79th in the nation.

The 2011 defense was one of the best in the nation.
 

kaboy42

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In a real sense defense held OU to 3. They scored a garbage TD in the last minute after our DC had left the booth to join the celebration.
EXACT same thing for the Baylor game that year. It was 49 - 3 at the end of the 3rd quarter. The defense was probably at 50% starters for the entire 4th quarter in which Baylor scored 21 more points. The game was over before halftime.

AND the Kansas game.

People like to poopoo that year's defense because of stats, but there were quite a few games that year where starters did not play the full game.
 
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EXACT same thing for the Baylor game that year. It was 49 - 3 at the end of the 3rd quarter. The defense was probably at 50% starters for the entire 4th quarter in which Baylor scored 21 more points. The game was over before halftime.

AND the Kansas game.

People like to poopoo that year's defense because of stats, but there were quite a few games that year where starters did not play the full game.
When our Offense scored a lot and fast, our D had to endure 70 to 80 downs of sleeves of playbooks thrown at them.

They were on the field a lot and fatigue too its part.
 
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Typical OSU fan, we make a bad offense look good and it's somehow all the offense's fault we lost. OSU fans somehow can only consider one side of the ball. We were 107th in total defense in 2011. If we had been even in the top 75 we would have been in the BCS championship game. Our defense sucked. We couldn't stop a junior high team, and especially true that night. Not being able to keep the #60 offense in the nation from scoring is shameful.
I think you're making it sound worse than they actually were. It was a "service-able" bend and not break defense, that was VERY opportunistic on takeaways (turnovers).

They made a RGIII led Baylor team look completely laughable. Drive the field... and just completely crapcan stuff them inside the 10. PLUS two INT's off RGIII. He got his yards, but our defense (at least that day) made the game laughable. If I remember correctly, the oU game that year was quite similar.

The defense had a terrible ranking that year because they gave up yards and scores. They were also on the field A LOT... as our offense was a freaking unstoppable juggernaut. Maybe I'm thinking of the wrong year, but I thought that was one of our best defensive takeaway years, lots of strips for fumbles and lots of INT's.
The 107th defense in the nation is bad, not serviceable. We were fortunate that year to have an offense that could make up for our defensive short comings. This year it appears we have a defense that can make up for our offensive short comings. But rather than be happy with our defense, people want to bitch about our offense.

MEGA DERP!

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I am very happy with our D. We actually play to win on that side of the ball. We have all the talent on O to be good, not 2011 good but still good. We showed that against KSU. So, it is all in the coaches hands.


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In a real sense defense held OU to 3. They scored a garbage TD in the last minute after our DC had left the booth to join the celebration.
EXACT same thing for the Baylor game that year. It was 49 - 3 at the end of the 3rd quarter. The defense was probably at 50% starters for the entire 4th quarter in which Baylor scored 21 more points. The game was over before halftime.

AND the Kansas game.

People like to poopoo that year's defense because of stats, but there were quite a few games that year where starters did not play the full game.
Watched that D in person. Opportunistic and played with effort. Bad scheme and absolutely no depth. Overall, a below average D.


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